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Victoria is facing a public-safety crisis

Looks like Victoria may not be so bad. Didn't make it into the Top Ten.

The study, compiled by experts with money.ca, determined the top 10 most dangerous and safest cities in Canada by analyzing the Canadian Crime Index and looking at rates of specific crimes per 100,000 people.

Here are the top 10 most dangerous cities in Canada, according to the study:

  1. Lethbridge, Alberta (1,190 offences per 100,000)
  2. Regina, Saskatchewan (1,113.5 offences per 100,000)
  3. Moncton, New Brunswick (1,085.3 offences per 100,000)
  4. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (1,043.1 offences per 100,000)
  5. Winnipeg, Manitoba (1,040.7 offences per 100,000 )
  6. Kelowna, BC (1,007 offences per 100,000)
  7. Abbotsford-Mission, BC (818.4 offences per 100,000)
  8. Greater Sudbury, Ontario (779 offences per 100,000)
  9. Thunder Bay, Ontario (775.2 offences per 100,000)
  10. Edmonton, Alberta (757.9 offences per 100,000)
Here are the top 10 safest cities in Canada, according to the study:

  1. Toronto, Ontario (286.9 offences per 100,000 people)
  2. Quebec City, Quebec (301 offences per 100,000 people)
  3. Ottawa-Gatineau, Quebec (318.8 offences per 100,000 people)
  4. Sherbrooke, Quebec (327.4 offences per 100,000 people)
  5. Ottawa-Gatineau, Ontario (333.9 offences per 100,000 people)
  6. Montreal, Quebec (356.7 offences per 100,000 people)
  7. Barrie, Ontario (356.7 offences per 100,000 people)
  8. Trois-Rivières, Quebec (366.2 offences per 100,000 people)
  9. Saguenay, Quebec (396.3 offences per 100,000 people)
  10. Hamilton, Ontario (420.6 offences per 100,000 people)
 
Looks like Victoria may not be so bad. Didn't make it into the Top Ten.



Here are the top 10 most dangerous cities in Canada, according to the study:

  1. Lethbridge, Alberta (1,190 offences per 100,000)
  2. Regina, Saskatchewan (1,113.5 offences per 100,000)
  3. Moncton, New Brunswick (1,085.3 offences per 100,000)
  4. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (1,043.1 offences per 100,000)
  5. Winnipeg, Manitoba (1,040.7 offences per 100,000 )
  6. Kelowna, BC (1,007 offences per 100,000)
  7. Abbotsford-Mission, BC (818.4 offences per 100,000)
  8. Greater Sudbury, Ontario (779 offences per 100,000)
  9. Thunder Bay, Ontario (775.2 offences per 100,000)
  10. Edmonton, Alberta (757.9 offences per 100,000)
Here are the top 10 safest cities in Canada, according to the study:

  1. Toronto, Ontario (286.9 offences per 100,000 people)
  2. Quebec City, Quebec (301 offences per 100,000 people)
  3. Ottawa-Gatineau, Quebec (318.8 offences per 100,000 people)
  4. Sherbrooke, Quebec (327.4 offences per 100,000 people)
  5. Ottawa-Gatineau, Ontario (333.9 offences per 100,000 people)
  6. Montreal, Quebec (356.7 offences per 100,000 people)
  7. Barrie, Ontario (356.7 offences per 100,000 people)
  8. Trois-Rivières, Quebec (366.2 offences per 100,000 people)
  9. Saguenay, Quebec (396.3 offences per 100,000 people)
  10. Hamilton, Ontario (420.6 offences per 100,000 people)

Really when you talk about dangerous cities, you’re probably talking about dangerous neighbourhoods. Aggregating such stats to entire cities really skews analysis that probably should be looking at urban cores, or certain troubled neighbourhoods or districts.

You can go three blocks in some parts of some citizens and have a radical different vibe between point A and point B.
 
Really when you talk about dangerous cities, you’re probably talking about dangerous neighbourhoods. Aggregating such stats to entire cities really skews analysis that probably should be looking at urban cores, or certain troubled neighbourhoods or districts.

You can go three blocks in some parts of some citizens and have a radical different vibe between point A and point B.

The entertainment district in downtown Victoria is the worst for various types of violence because: entertainment ;)

Why crime severity score is Victoria 148, Oak Bay 29. Hint: partying​

Victoria police chief says workload is not being shared fairly. Regional force makes sense, says criminology professor.

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You can go three blocks in some parts of some citizens and have a radical different vibe between point A and point B.
Behind a number of chain grocery stores here there is a Manitoba Housing Project. They are beacons for trouble. Not just in the core either - in the so called "safer" sections.
 
The entertainment district in downtown Victoria is the worst for various types of violence because: entertainment ;)

Why crime severity score is Victoria 148, Oak Bay 29. Hint: partying​

Victoria police chief says workload is not being shared fairly. Regional force makes sense, says criminology professor.

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Yup, bar/entertainment districts always get more than their fair share of stupidity. Alcohol, drugs, and testosterone poisoning…
 
Yup, bar/entertainment districts always get more than their fair share of stupidity. Alcohol, drugs, and testosterone poisoning…

Well said.

And, sometimes, it's visitors from out of town...

Victoria is actually ranked around the middle.
  1. Toronto – 286.9
  2. Quebec, QC – 301
  3. Ottawa-Gatineau, QC – 318.8
  4. Sherbrooke, QC – 327.4
  5. Ottawa-Gatineau – 333.9
  6. Montreal – 356.7
  7. Barrie, ON – 356.7
  8. Trois-Rivières, QC – 366.2
  9. Saguenay, QU – 396.3
  10. Hamilton – 420.6
  11. Saint John, NB – 423.4
  12. Halifax, NS – 447.6
  13. Belleville, ON – 450.8
  14. Peterborough, ON – 496.2
  15. Guelph – 500.6
  16. St. Catharines-Niagara – 529.5
  17. Kingston, ON – 557.4
  18. Calgary, AB – 573.3
  19. Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo – 596.2
  20. Victoria, BC – 604.9
  21. Brantford, ON – 613.5
  22. St. John’s, NL – 614.9
  23. Windsor – 644.5
  24. Vancouver, BC – 657.8
  25. London – 679.7
  26. Edmonton, AB – 757.9
  27. Thunder Bay, ON – 775.2
  28. Greater Sudbury, ON – 779
  29. Abbotsford-Mission, BC – 818.4
  30. Kelowna, BC – 1,007
  31. Winnipeg, MB – 1,040
  32. Saskatoon, SK – 1,043.1
  33. Moncton, NB – 1,085.3
  34. Regina, SK – 1,113.5
  35. Lethbridge, AB – 1,190
 
Well said.

And, sometimes, it's visitors from out of town...

Victoria is actually ranked around the middle.
  1. Toronto – 286.9
  2. Quebec, QC – 301
  3. Ottawa-Gatineau, QC – 318.8
  4. Sherbrooke, QC – 327.4
  5. Ottawa-Gatineau – 333.9
  6. Montreal – 356.7
  7. Barrie, ON – 356.7
  8. Trois-Rivières, QC – 366.2
  9. Saguenay, QU – 396.3
  10. Hamilton – 420.6
  11. Saint John, NB – 423.4
  12. Halifax, NS – 447.6
  13. Belleville, ON – 450.8
  14. Peterborough, ON – 496.2
  15. Guelph – 500.6
  16. St. Catharines-Niagara – 529.5
  17. Kingston, ON – 557.4
  18. Calgary, AB – 573.3
  19. Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo – 596.2
  20. Victoria, BC – 604.9
  21. Brantford, ON – 613.5
  22. St. John’s, NL – 614.9
  23. Windsor – 644.5
  24. Vancouver, BC – 657.8
  25. London – 679.7
  26. Edmonton, AB – 757.9
  27. Thunder Bay, ON – 775.2
  28. Greater Sudbury, ON – 779
  29. Abbotsford-Mission, BC – 818.4
  30. Kelowna, BC – 1,007
  31. Winnipeg, MB – 1,040
  32. Saskatoon, SK – 1,043.1
  33. Moncton, NB – 1,085.3
  34. Regina, SK – 1,113.5
  35. Lethbridge, AB – 1,190
What do those figures represent? You’ve given us no context.
 
Yup, bar/entertainment districts always get more than their fair share of stupidity. Alcohol, drugs, and testosterone poisoning…

They get more than their fair share of revenue too. Victoria doesn’t get much sympathy from other muni’s in the region as they rake in the bucks from nightlife and cruise ship/ other tourist trade.
 

I’m trying to make sense of which statistic this purports to be and I can’t. It doesn’t match the Crime Severity Index, but it’s WAY too low to be a total criminal incidents per 100k it may be using a subset of certain offences, but that’s not clear.

Anyway, coarse crime stats kinda suck because the aggregate to Census Metropolitan Area. They don’t tell you much save for allowing for following broad trends over time and chucking political shit. Meaningful, useful crime data are much more local than that.
 
They get more than their fair share of revenue too. Victoria doesn’t get much sympathy from other muni’s in the region as they rake in the bucks from nightlife and cruise ship/ other tourist trade.

How does provincial funding work in B.C.?

Is municipal funding based only on the census population, or its commuter population in town for work, business, pleasure, or whatever?

If not, unlike the so-called Regional "bedroom communities", there will always be more people requiring service than the "muni" has been funded for by the province.
 
Really when you talk about dangerous cities, you’re probably talking about dangerous neighbourhoods. Aggregating such stats to entire cities really skews analysis that probably should be looking at urban cores, or certain troubled neighbourhoods or districts.

You can go three blocks in some parts of some citizens and have a radical different vibe between point A and point B.
100%. Which Toronto are you talking about?

This one:
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Or this one:
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I’m trying to make sense of which statistic this purports to be and I can’t. It doesn’t match the Crime Severity Index, but it’s WAY too low to be a total criminal incidents per 100k it may be using a subset of certain offences, but that’s not clear.

Anyway, coarse crime stats kinda suck because the aggregate to Census Metropolitan Area. They don’t tell you much save for allowing for following broad trends over time and chucking political shit. Meaningful, useful crime data are much more local than that.
Well it certainly can’t be raccoons per dumpster…
 
We don’t need to turn this into a Military Police thread.

@brihard

winner win GIF by Rhett and Link
 
The entertainment district in downtown Victoria is the worst for various types of violence because: entertainment ;)

Why crime severity score is Victoria 148, Oak Bay 29. Hint: partying​

Victoria police chief says workload is not being shared fairly. Regional force makes sense, says criminology professor.

View attachment 82248

Well, some of the entertainment stumbles/waddles/crawls/vomits down the street, falling into other stumblers/waddlers/crawlers/vomiters, kicking off more unsanctioned MMA/punchee punch or stabbee stab, leading to more entertainment for those not sober enough to wander/stumble/crawl/fall away...and the circle of life continues.
 
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