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Sikh & India (Alleged) Shenanigans in Canada (split fm Non-Muslim terr thread)

Hindu view


 

Now just suppose that the aim were to blow up the 5-Eyes club....

West spied on India to intercept plot to kill dissident Sikh leader in Canada​

Canadian leader Justin Trudeau says 'credible' intelligence linked Indian government to the murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar in June

ByRozina Sabur, DEPUTY US EDITOR22 September 2023 • 6:23pm

Narendra Modi and Justin Trudeau

Justin Trudeau told Narendra Modi that the killing was an 'unacceptable violation' at the G20 summit in New Delhi earlier in September CREDIT: Evan Vucci/AFP via Getty Images
Western intelligence agencies spied on India to amass evidence of its alleged plot to assassinate a dissident on Canadian soil, according to a new report.
Justin Trudeau, the Canadian prime minister, announced this week that “credible” intelligence linked the Indian government to the murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, 45, in British Columbia earlier in 2023.
The intelligence was gathered by human spies and intercepting communication networks during a months-long investigation by Canada and its allies, according to broadcaster CBC News.
Canadian government sources told the network that the intelligence involved Indian government officials’ communications, including diplomats posted in Canada.
Canada is part of the “Five Eyes” intelligence-sharing alliance, along with the UK, US, Australia and New Zealand. It is unclear which member of the Five Eyes shared intelligence with Canada.

Obligations to Five Eyes partners​

Chrystia Freeland, Canada’s deputy prime minister, said she could not comment without risking the investigation and the country’s obligations to its Five Eyes partners.
India has rejected claims of its involvement as “absurd” and stopped processing visas for Canadians in retaliation.
But Canadian sources say that no Indian official has denied allegations of its involvement in private, according to CBC News.
Mr Nijjar, a prominent advocate for the creation of a separate Sikh homeland, was gunned down outside a Gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia on June 18 2023.
In an address to parliament, Mr Trudeau called the killing an “unacceptable violation” of Canadian sovereignty.
He said he “personally and directly” conveyed that message to Narendra Modi, the Indian prime minister, at the G20 summit in New Delhi earlier in September.

US courting new superpower​

The dispute has further damaged Canada’s relationship with India just as the US is courting the potential new superpower.
Washington has pushed back on suggestions it has shied away from raising the issue in order to avoid angering New Delhi.
US president Joe Biden and other Western leaders are also reported to have raised Mr Nijjar’s assasination with Mr Modi during the G20 meeting.
Jake Sullivan, the US national security adviser, declined to confirm the reports but said the US raised its concerns over the matter with India “at high levels”.
“It is something we take seriously. It is something we will keep working on. And we will do that regardless of the country,” he said.

New Zealand isn't in the game in any event and AUKUS has walked away. Intelligence sharing in the future?
 
I wouldn’t attribute that as the aim, India just DGAF about Canada and decided to do it.

New Zealand isn't in the game in any event and AUKUS has walked away. Intelligence sharing in the future?
Trudeau’s biggest faux pas was bringing up that he knew in public. TBH this smacks of something DJT would do. Narcissistic actions putting self interest above those of the Nation (and Alliance)
 
I wouldn’t attribute that as the aim, India just DGAF about Canada and decided to do it.


Trudeau’s biggest faux pas was bringing up that he knew in public. TBH this smacks of something DJT would do. Narcissistic actions putting self interest above those of the Nation (and Alliance)

I'm not suggesting that India wants to blow up the 5 Eyes.

Trudeau's handlers on the other hand.
 
Trudeau’s biggest faux pas was bringing up that he knew in public. TBH this smacks of something DJT would do. Narcissistic actions putting self interest above those of the Nation (and Alliance)
Only a guess but when Trudeau didn’t go public about what he knew about Chinese interference he ate a bunch of crap for it. He went public this time and he’s eating a lot of crap for it. So it could be he and his handlers are a bit lost on how to handle these these things if and when the could potentially make it to the the public sphere.
 
Only a guess but when Trudeau didn’t go public about what he knew about Chinese interference he ate a bunch of crap for it. He went public this time and he’s eating a lot of crap for it.
I think after the Chinese interference fallout, they learned that keeping it quiet isn’t good optics. This time they overcorrected, so to speak.
 
Only a guess but when Trudeau didn’t go public about what he knew about Chinese interference he ate a bunch of crap for it. He went public this time and he’s eating a lot of crap for it. So it could be he and his handlers are a bit lost on how to handle these these things if and when the could potentially make it to the the public sphere.
I’d say the greatest similarity between China and India is that in both cases, Trudeau and those close to him either ignored CSIS’ warnings or actively stopped CSIS from pursuing further investigation.
 
No, I think his handlers. I don't think the acolytes following him are much brighter than he is.
*His handlers are letting him narcissistically travel down his path and letting his acolytes naively follow. In cigar smoking parlance, his handlers are getting close to that point smoking a cigar where you want just that last little bit of flavor, but risk getting a bitter draw that spoils the experience…
 
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I wouldn’t attribute that as the aim, India just DGAF about Canada and decided to do it.


Trudeau’s biggest faux pas was bringing up that he knew in public. TBH this smacks of something DJT would do. Narcissistic actions putting self interest above those of the Nation (and Alliance)
I forgot to mention that it was probably India. They may have left a trail to warn others -" don't fuck with us or you're next "kind of message
 
Thank you for the correction.
I appreciate it.
Except you are not entirely wrong, the Leader of the Opposition is not automatically a member of the privy council. PP is a member but it had to do with him being in cabinet under Harper not by virtue of his current position as Opposition Leader.
 
Except you are not entirely wrong, the Leader of the Opposition is not automatically a member of the privy council. PP is a member but it had to do with him being in cabinet under Harper not by virtue of his current position as Opposition Leader.
While PP is a member of the Privy Council based on his previous service as a Cabinet Minister, it is customary to admit leaders of the opposition who lacked previous cabinet service. That is how the PC postnominal was granted to Michael Ignatieff, Tom Mulcair, Preston Manning and Andrew Scheer.
 
The real Privy Council is a huge group of people that includes all sorts of people, including for instance all the lawyers who are QC or KC, all past and present Lieutenant-Governors, the various provinces First ministers, judges of Federal courts, the CDS (yep -look it up) etc. etc. And once in, you are in for ever.

The actual "operating" Privy Council, however, only includes the current PM and current ministers of the crown (not even the parliamentary secretaries). When the GG acts"on advice from the PC" that is the only group that is consulted and gives the advice. Since the PM under our more recents governments (note I used the plural as this goes back about thirty years now - sort of started with Brian Mulroney because they didn't trust the civil service) runs roughshod over his ministers through the PMO, it actually comes down to whatever the PM wants even if most of his ministers would want another direction.
 
Only a guess but when Trudeau didn’t go public about what he knew about Chinese interference he ate a bunch of crap for it. He went public this time and he’s eating a lot of crap for it. So it could be he and his handlers are a bit lost on how to handle these these things if and when the could potentially make it to the the public sphere.
And in both cases, scooped (CHN shenanigans) or about to be scooped (IND shenanigans) by the Globe, attributing unnamed int sources in both cases.

Former feels like ducking/hiding, latter feels more like beating MSM to the punch to look grand - neither a good look, but a good example of can't win anymore.
 
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