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Election 2011 - The Aftermath for the Leaders

Old Sweat said:
What a coincidence that a sinecure in academia just happened to come open a couple of days after he lost the election.

Perhaps this had something to do with it:

"The University of Toronto is where Ignatieff began his career in academia. He graduated from the University of Toronto with a history degree in 1969 and later earned his PhD at Harvard. He eventually taught at that alma mater as well, and other top-rated schools including Oxford, Cambridge and the London School of Economics."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/05/05/pol-ignatieff-massey.html

 
John Fraser, master of the college, said the appointment follows a tradition of hiring well-known politicians
or journalists who find themselves searching for work following retirement, a brutal defeat or career setback.
That's pretty stringent hiring criteria.  ;D
 
Old Sweat said:
What a coincidence that a sinecure in academia just happened to come open a couple of days after he lost the election.

Do you wonder if he had shopped his resume around before the event? Just asking!

Bob, instead of answering go to the home of the Brewistas for el Cinco del Mayo.
 
Old Sweat said:
What a coincidence that a sinecure in academia just happened to come open a couple of days after he lost the election.

Not a coincidence - he has impeccable academic credentials (I have a number of his books on my shelves, and I am willing to bet a pint of beer that Bob does too).  There was probably a long list of universities courting him.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
I love the idea of Rae taking some Orange Liberals to the NDP and Brison leading some Blue Liberals to the Conservatives and the Liberals finally getting smart and rebuilding as a party of the 'radical centre:'

1. Fiscally conservative, at least as responsible as the Conservatives;

2. Committed to a big, united Canada with no 'special status' for anyone;

3. Committed to St Laurent's vision of Canada in the world; and

4. Socially liberal, taking e.g. abortion and gay marriage for granted.

And here is that party: http://www.libertarian.ca/
 
Looks like some battlespace preparation is taking place already:

http://cruxofthematterinfo.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/why-is-keynote-speaker-at-kincardine-s-s-symposium-justin-trudeau/

Why is keynote speaker at Kincardine S.S. symposium Justin Trudeau?

May 6, 2011 by Sandy 4 Comments

Justin Trudeau -- Credit Google Images

I just found out today from a regular reader that Kincardine Secondary School (a high school in the Bluewater District School Board), will be having a huge symposium on June 9th and 10th, 2011. Sponsored by Bruce Power, Bruce Telecom, My FM 95.5, Holiday Inn Express and others, tickets will be $25.00 for the public and students from other schools within the Bluewater board.

It is not clear, however, whether or not Kincardine S.S. students have to buy tickets but I certainly hope not since they have no choice but to attend because regular classes will be cancelled. There will be sixteen workshops plus Liberal MP Justin Trudeau has been invited as the keynote speaker for the evening of June 9th, where 800 are expected to be in attendance.

While there will be several other guest speakers besides Trudeau, such as Lt. Col Dave Grossman and Jackson Katz, the publicity seems to mostly be about Trudeau. Why, I can’t imagine. The theme for the symposium is “Today’s Kids, Tomorrow’s Village” — based on the metaphor that it takes an entire community to raise a child.

So, I am not sure what expertise Justin Trudeau has on that topic.  Yes, he is a nice fellow, of that I have no doubt. Yes, he is a progressive Liberal and yes, he is the father of two young children.  But, other than having been a teacher for a couple of years and a parent, he is not an expert on any specific issues related to child rearing in today’s world.

However, obviously the fact that Trudeau is a “celebrity” is enough for him to be invited. Call me suspicious, but I can’t help wonder why that is so, particularly when the Kincardine Symposium is promoting him as “the son of former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau.”  So what does a former Liberal PM have to do with the topic?

As if to prove the point that there is political motivation behind Trudeau’s invitation, I am hearing via my e-mail grapevine that a number of Ontario school boards are shopping around for Justin Trudeau to speak to their parent councils and/or students.

So, yes, I would definitely question the political motivation (of the McGuinty Liberal government) that may be behind this push.

However, regarding Grossman and Katz, I can understand why they were invited. These are two men who know their subjects and, although I have not heard either of them speak myself, I have heard they are dynamite.

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a former military man, retiring as Professor of Military Science from Arkansas State University, having specialized in the psychology of killing and how soldiers have to be desensitized in order to kill. He has taken that knowledge and come up with a message that resonates with teens — about the repetitive violence in video games and how they can become desensitized to that violence through that type of exposure.

When you think of the violence of swarming and cyber bullying, his message is very much-needed. Similarly, Jackson Katz, a specialist in gender violence prevention and media literacy, tells kids that being violent and abusive is not masculine or “macho.”

So, the team of Grossman and Katz sounds ideal. How Trudeau fits into that threesome is a puzzlement to me, because remember, it was he who recently disagreed with calling ”honour killings” barbaric. Perhaps, however, since Trudeau tends to be generally upbeat and a gentle-man, he provides a good counter balance. I certainly hope that is the reason and not that educators are using Trudeau to brainwash the students with liberal progressive ideology.

Overall, however, I think this symposium is a very good idea. It will get young people and their parents talking about violence in video games and on television, and how that violence could affect or impact their behaviour in everyday life — a type of literacy that is now required for a community to raise a child (the alleged purpose for this symposium in the first place).
 
..."How Trudeau fits into that threesome is a puzzlement to me...'

- well.... after all he is his mother's son  :facepalm:. 


Perhaps he has been desensitized by the repeated character assassinations perpetrated on his family name and is thus the perfect political hunter/killer?

 
Redeye said:
Wow.

No wonder they're a fringe party.

Hardly a fringe idea though.

I read the platform and shrugged.

So did Atlas  8)
 
In light of Jack laytons health issues and a previously mentioned thought that he could be gone by fall, who would lead the NDP? I think it's a given that Thomas Muclair and Paul Dewar would throw in, and now that he is not in the Liberal fold you could possibly see Ujjal Dosanjh join the fray as well. But what about Linda Duncan?

“She’s got tremendous personal credibility and experience on the environment file and she has tremendous contacts in Ottawa that preceded her being elected the first time around. She is really well connected with people across the board.” according to NDP MLA Rachel Notley.

I have heard mention a couple times else where that Jack Layton came to Edmonton to unofficially 'crown' Linda Duncan as his replacement.

I would be interested in thoughts and opinions....

 
Larry Strong said:
But what about Linda Duncan?

“She’s got tremendous personal credibility and experience on the environment file and she has tremendous contacts in Ottawa that preceded her being elected the first time around. She is really well connected with people across the board.” according to NDP MLA Rachel Notley.

I have heard mention a couple times else where that Jack Layton came to Edmonton to unofficially 'crown' Linda Duncan as his replacement.

Rachel Notley?  Did Twiddle Dum just do a free promotion for Twiddle Dee, the only other Socialist in Alberta.  They've come a long way since they met at Leon Trotsky's Proletariat Hairsylists.  One word - Makeover!
 
Who do you think I've been indoctrinated by? Honestly, most of those things that I'm concerned about don't directly affect me. I'm straight, married, and will never have an abortion in my life, ever. If the Conservatives see attempts to change such things as political suicide, great, that's better for all of us I think.

To me, Canada is a country where equal rights for all are respected, and is a country that takes care of its people via health care. It's also a place of more civilized politics than where I grew up - the US. I'm not going to go running back if things get changed by the Conservatives - my husband is a CF member, and I know I'm in this for the long haul.  If Harper can show that he can keep his religion and politics separated, that will go a LONG way towards gaining my confidence. And yes, I'm intending to get my Citizenship as soon as is feasible for us, and I WILL vote.
 
My wife immigrated to Canada from the United States in 2002 and became a citizen in 2007, and has made sure she voted in every election.  She grew up in the Deep South in a very conservative family but finds pretty much everything about their politics to be utterly revolting.  She would never go back, and actually made inquiries about renouncing her US citizenship when she became a Canadian to formally walk away.  Then Barack Obama won the election and she thought there may be some hope for them yet.

She sounds more or less like you - sees no reason to intrude on the freedoms of others which conservatives, especially in the US, seem hell bent on doing.  The idea of "small government" still deciding it should discriminate against homosexuals and make reproductive decisions for women is abhorrent to her and should be to anyone rational, I'd say.  As she put it, she'd doesn't think she could ever choose to have an abortion - but she's never been in the position, and wouldn't presume to make that choice for someone else.  Likewise, she sees no reason to deny anyone the right to marry the person they love, because that also shouldn't be for the state to decide.

Fortunately, it seems Harper has a good understanding that if he doesn't reflect social values of Canadians, he won't get to stay in office, because I suspect that reopening long settled debates would be an effective way of getting people out in droves to vote against him.  Hopefully the more fringe members of his party have made the same deduction.

acooper said:
Who do you think I've been indoctrinated by? Honestly, most of those things that I'm concerned about don't directly affect me. I'm straight, married, and will never have an abortion in my life, ever. If the Conservatives see attempts to change such things as political suicide, great, that's better for all of us I think.

To me, Canada is a country where equal rights for all are respected, and is a country that takes care of its people via health care. It's also a place of more civilized politics than where I grew up - the US. I'm not going to go running back if things get changed by the Conservatives - my husband is a CF member, and I know I'm in this for the long haul.  If Harper can show that he can keep his religion and politics separated, that will go a LONG way towards gaining my confidence. And yes, I'm intending to get my Citizenship as soon as is feasible for us, and I WILL vote.
 
PPCLI Guy said:
(I have a number of his books on my shelves, and I am willing to bet a pint of beer that Bob does too).
I just happen to have Virtual War and The Lesser Evil at hand  ;)
 
Journeyman said:
I just happen to have Virtual War and The Lesser Evil at hand  ;)


I too have Ignatieff on my book-shelf. His biography of Isaiah Berlin is exceptionally well written and, I think, offers us some insights into a Michael Ignatieff we did not see during his sojourn in Canadian politics. Ignatieff appears, to me - through the pages of Isaiah Berlin: A Life, to be a true liberal who, really, belongs in a 21st century conservative party, not in the Liberal Party of Toronto.
 
Politics is, as the one commentator noted, a bloodsport and Ignatieff's academic credentials/critical thinking abilities were moot - he couldn't master the arena and find an effective way to employ them (if there even is a way) and was fed to the lions.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
to me - through the pages of Isaiah Berlin: A Life, to be a true liberal who, really, belongs in a 21st century conservative party, not in the Liberal Party of Toronto.

When he was spouting Socialist rhetoric, I really didn't believe his sincerity, nor apparently did anyone else.

The Liberals simply have to make a break with the commies because in another 10 years when the Conservatives have earned an arse kicking, I want an alternative that won't ruin the country.
 
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