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Meanwhile at least one Congressman seems to be switched on
Irrelevant? So the other people - the followers, the cults of personality - don't matter? You've meant to only be discussing the principals (Trump, Clinton, Biden)? Either people blackguarding democratic institutions and processes - especially indefinitely - is a problem, or it isn't. Choose one.
Trump's supporters can't be expected to take the high road. From their perspective, they're owed a lot of payback by all the other people who pushed false information for political gain. For example, start with the Clinton-approved gambit to tie Trump to Russian interference (ie. the Steele stuff). Clinton, her campaign insiders, the intermediaries at Perkins-Coie and Fusion GPS, Steele, Steele's flunkies, the government people who salted the media with the lies, the media who promulgated the lies, the people who used the lies to advance investigations - Trump's supporters probably have a long list of heads they want to see on spikes before they'll trust "the system" again.
So many people keep emphasizing how dishonest and ignorant Trump and his supporters are. What foolishness would it be to expect them to improve? Obviously, however, their behaviour justifies whatever means are necessary to take them down, as has apparently been the case since roughly mid-2016. It would be unreasonable to expect the decency/decorum/dignity/rule-of-law folks to unilaterally abide by their own rules.
Either both reports matter, or neither does.Durham doesn't have to substantiate anything; everything that matters is known. All he could do is bring charges, if any of it were illegal rather than merely unethical and dishonest. I doubt any will be brought; if it's a DC jury, I doubt there would be any convictions. I doubt Durham has any more charges to bring; all that remains is to see whether the DoJ releases his report. If that happens I expect the same people who argued strenuously that Mueller's report mattered a great deal, to argue that nothing in Durham's report matters at all.
That isn't axiomatically true. Mueller's report lost a lot of credibility by stressing that something investigators weren't charged to find (exoneration) was something they didn't find, and also when its drafters whinged about delays releasing it after they failed - in spite of clear instructions - to include the expected redactions. If Durham's report simply notes what was found without trying to spin it politically, it will be more valuable.Either both reports matter, or neither does.
Durham's investigation hasn't been without its own difficulties. But as you've noted, either report is liable to be dismissed based on one's partisan leanings.That isn't axiomatically true. Mueller's report lost a lot of credibility by stressing that something investigators weren't charged to find (exoneration) was something they didn't find, and also when its drafters whinged about delays releasing it after they failed - in spite of clear instructions - to include the expected redactions. If Durham's report simply notes what was found without trying to spin it politically, it will be more valuable.
Either both reports matter, or neither does.
The FBI had already confirmed the info was legit long before that occurred.When is an election stolen? Is at the ballot box only? Or does it include, lies, fabricated misinformation, meddling in social media, etc? All in order to persuade the electorate that your opponent is something they are not, to demonize and disuade with untruthful, false, fabricated conspiracies? Where is the start point?
Biden Torched After Ex-CIA Chief Admits Hiring Spies to Write Fake Hunter Biden Laptop Letter - Truth PressRep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, said then-candidate Joe Biden wrongly made the letter from 51 intelligence officials claiming Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation “seem organic” despite allegedly knowing his soon-to-be State Department chief helped “strategize” it. The letter, signed by 51...truthpress.com
It’s a democratic republic.But it's not a democracy, based on the good of the collective. It's a Republic based on individual rights.
Don’t forget it’s not just the Democrats playing games.Based on current information uncovered by a Congressional oversight, the letter was a fabrication. The trail and implementation has been laid out by one of the top perpetrators, to Congress. The letter was false information.
Of course we haven't even touched on the the misdirection and suppression that occured based on the laptop itself.
The letter and signatures are just a small part of that and has become a chink in Biden's armour.
The eye-popping sum is enormous in the annals of defamation cases, but the settlement deal did not include any apology from Fox News.www.politico.com
Murdoch claimed he was defamed by Keane’s column about the U.S. congressional investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the Capitol building which Crikey published in June last year under the headlines: “Trump is a confirmed unhinged traitor. And Murdoch is his unindicted co-conspirator.”
Private Media chief executive Will Hayward said his company, which is valued at less than 20 million Australian dollars ($13.4 million), stood by Crikey’s description of the Murdochs as conspirators in the Capitol violence.
Rolph said one of the reasons Murdoch dropped the case was that Crikey was trying to expand its defenses by incorporating revelations from the Dominion litigation.
Misinformation/disinformation probably falls under the heading "election interference". For example, Russian (clumsy, miniscule, ineffective) social media efforts during the 2016 election. "Stealing" an election usually describes efforts to create or destroy actual cast votes.When is an election stolen? Is at the ballot box only? Or does it include, lies, fabricated misinformation, meddling in social media, etc? All in order to persuade the electorate that your opponent is something they are not, to demonize and disuade with untruthful, false, fabricated conspiracies? Where is the start point?
Republicans who control the state Legislature want to alter the 2024 Senate primary in Montana so that only the top two candidates, no matter their party, advance to the November election. Past races for Tester’s seat were close enough that many Republicans blamed third party candidates for draining away potential GOP votes and giving the Democrat the victory.
Critics blasted the proposal during a Montana House committee meeting as a blatant attempt to rig the election.
'Stamp of approval'
Elon Musk promised to make Twitter the "most accurate source of information about the world" but he has repeatedly used his own account to amplify false claims from some of the most notorious disinformers, according to an AFP analysis.
The right-wing network still faces a $2.7 billion lawsuit from another electronic voting company -- Smartmatic -- which claims that Fox News broadcast lies that "decimated" its business prospects.
"Dominion's litigation exposed some of the misconduct and damage caused by Fox's disinformation campaign. Smartmatic will expose the rest," Smartmatic attorney J. Erik Connolly vowed in a statement.
He added that the company was "committed to clearing its name, recouping the significant damage done to the company, and holding Fox accountable for undermining democracy."
Leaked audio recordings of top GOP strategist Cleta Mitchell’s presentation reveal Mitchell called on the GOP to limit voting on college campuses, same-day voter registration, and automatic mailing of ballots to registered voters.