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Sorry, I should say, cut back in number. Their size remains large.The CWO mafia have been cut back in size.
Sorry, I should say, cut back in number. Their size remains large.The CWO mafia have been cut back in size.
Sorry, I should say, cut back in number. Their size remains large.
Maybe all the new capabilities we spool up then never use? NTOG is probably a good example, we developed the capability but don't ever have ROEs that support opposed boardings (and even normal boardings is pretty limited). BMD defence without infrastructure? 'Fitted for but not with?' Systems without ammo? Submarines with no days at sea?Concentration of effort is good business.
The problem for us becomes which sacred cows do we send to the slaughter house ? We Canadians are awful at making these hard decisions.
Maybe just ask NATO, and see what they would want us to bring to the table.
Provide escort forces to move the US Army from NA to Europe.
Same for the Pacific.
I think that would basically be something comparable with the CPFs, and maybe a few tankers to have something on each coast.Provide escort forces to move the US Army from NA to Europe.
Same for the Pacific.
But things like the Oriole are still kicking around, and that's some Adminrals pet wank, so just expect we'll keep spreading ourselves transparently thin. Fully expect some kind of PRO like event on the CPFs before end of the class though.
The whole Cdn Heavy Bde to Europe has been an ask for years. Canada just pretends not to hear what NATO asks for…Maybe just ask NATO, and see what they would want us to bring to the table.
Canada doesn't have a heavy brigade. If someone was asking me for something I didn't have I'd ignore them too.The whole Cdn Heavy Bde to Europe has been an ask for years. Canada just pretends not to hear what NATO asks for…
I think the US (and NATO) would be satisfied with the Canadian-led multinational Brigade so long as it's properly equipped, supported and sustained so that it can provide a credible deterrence against Russia. Do that, meet our 2% GDP commitment and follow-through with our other major modernization plans (CSCs, JSS, MRTT, P-8, F-35 and NORAD modernization, etc.) and I think we'd be seen as a valuable partner with useful capabilities.The whole Cdn Heavy Bde to Europe has been an ask for years. Canada just pretends not to hear what NATO asks for…
Who’s the fool? the entity that asks for something that isn’t available, or the entity that doesn’t actually accept they don’t.Canada doesn't have a heavy brigade. If someone was asking me for something I didn't have I'd ignore them too.
Best I can offer is medium battlegrounp with tanks and no replacements when it gets smashed.
I don’t think we as America will be happy unless Canada can plunk an Armored DIV in Europe and self support, along with the other above items you mention.I think the US (and NATO) would be satisfied with the Canadian-led multinational Brigade so long as it's properly equipped, supported and sustained so that it can provide a credible deterrence against Russia. Do that, meet our 2% GDP commitment and follow-through with our other major modernization plans (CSCs, JSS, MRTT, P-8, F-35 and NORAD modernization, etc.) and I think we'd be seen as a valuable partner with useful capabilities.
Personally I think the US would rather bully the Europeans into taking their own defence seriously than have Canada max out its budget on a Division in Europe. Things like NORAD modernization (and hopefully BMD participation) and investment in air and naval capabilities that both provide tangible defence of the homeland and capabilities that can be useful in the Pacific I think would be more appreciated.I don’t think we as America will be happy unless Canada can plunk an Armored DIV in Europe and self support, along with the other above items you mention.
There are various reasons for that, but the one major thing is it’s a given the Canadians will fight - the same isn’t always a given for the Euros.
If Canada was a serious country, a DIV to Europe wouldn’t phase your budget…Personally I think the US would rather bully the Europeans into taking their own defence seriously than have Canada max out its budget on a Division in Europe.
Sort of, the major issue with Europe is the they are Europeans and can easily go home. Canada is like America in the respect the only option is to fight.Things like NORAD modernization (and hopefully BMD participation) and investment in air and naval capabilities that both provide tangible defence of the homeland and capabilities that can be useful in the Pacific I think would be more appreciated.
If Canada was a serious country, a DIV to Europe wouldn’t phase your budget…
Sort of, the major issue with Europe is the they are Europeans and can easily go home. Canada is like America in the respect the only option is to fight.
I was talking a friend who is a current 2* down here, he found it difficult to understand with the size of Canada, and the paper strength of the CAF (which was already tough for him to grasp) that the Army didn’t have 2-3 actual Divisions. Honestly I couldn’t fault him for that as It’s hard to understand how a Corps sized entity is so useless.
No fools. Just politicians.Who’s the fool? the entity that asks for something that isn’t available, or the entity that doesn’t actually accept they don’t.
What generals, DM's and defence policy advisors keep giving the reassurance to politicians that this has been okay? The current state of affairs isn't just the fault of politicians or a disinterested electorate.No fools. Just politicians.
Sorry, I should say, cut back in number. Their size remains large.
It required an Army of almost 50,000 to 'maintain' one "heavy" brigade group in Europe in the 1950s and '60s. By 'maintain' I mean keep it staffed and equipped and either: 1. expand it to a smallish division in 90ish days; or 2. replace it when it ended up on the Rhine at less than 1/3 strength. In other words, the entire Canadian Forces in 2024 is too small to have one "heavy" brigade somewhere, anywhere close to harm's way.The whole Cdn Heavy Bde to Europe has been an ask for years. Canada just pretends not to hear what NATO asks for…
It required an Army of almost 50,000 to 'maintain' one "heavy" brigade group in Europe in the 1950s and '60s. By 'maintain' I mean keep it staffed and equipped and either: 1. expand it to a smallish division in 90ish days; or 2. replace it when it ended up on the Rhine at less than 1/3 strength. In other words, the entire Canadian Forces in 2024 is too small to have one "heavy" brigade somewhere, anywhere close to harm's way.
Don;t think so, we'ed have to form 43 study groups, ave 3465 meetings etc etc, Not in our present wheel house!I think the US (and NATO) would be satisfied with the Canadian-led multinational Brigade so long as it's properly equipped, supported and sustained so that it can provide a credible deterrence against Russia. Do that, meet our 2% GDP commitment and follow-through with our other major modernization plans (CSCs, JSS, MRTT, P-8, F-35 and NORAD modernization, etc.) and I think we'd be seen as a valuable partner with useful capabilities.