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Word Origins
« on: January 24, 2011, 08:04:07 »
Can anyone tell me the origin of the term Ack-Ack? I'm instructing a Basic patrolling class, and want to know where that term came from
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 08:14:16 »
"ack-ack" (from the World War I phonetic alphabet for AA)
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 08:14:36 »
ack=acknowledged

But ack-ack?  I have visions of "Mars Attacks" running through my head.
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 08:30:11 »
Can anyone tell me the origin of the term Ack-Ack? I'm instructing a Basic patrolling class, and want to know where that term came from
Ah, yes, Ack-Ack formation.  I had never thought about this.  Also known as "loose file", but why "Ack-Ack"?  Now you've got me thinking.....and that's a dangerous thing for an early monday morning!!!!
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 08:36:28 »
Just a little more info, in my old unit, we would refer to a loose file as Ack-Ack formation and wanted to know if there was any reason as to why.
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2011, 08:38:52 »
Just a little more info, in my old unit, we would refer to a loose file as Ack-Ack formation and wanted to know if there was any reason as to why.
I've heard both terms used for the same formation, and I too have no reason why "Ack-Ack" was used...


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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2011, 13:43:21 »
And why are some of the ack ack delivery systems called pom poms? ???
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2011, 14:02:44 »
And why are some of the ack ack delivery systems called pom poms? ???
Apparently, the sound they make.
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 14:23:12 »
Silly theory I might as well throw out.

But many older Anti-aircraft guns with twin barrels fired alternating( left right left right), so maybe that is how the terms are connected.



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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 14:28:27 »
Can anyone tell me the origin of the term Ack-Ack? I'm instructing a Basic patrolling class, and want to know where that term came from

Like TV, I've also heard the term used for a loose file formation.  I've never seen anything written or official about the origin of the term in that context; in fact I don't recall ever seeing "ack-ack" used in any CF publication dealing with infantry tactics, patrolling or troop movement.  However, I do recall (during BOTC or Infantry Phase 2?) someone asking a similiar question of the DS; the answer (I think but we may have been eating from aluminiun mess tins) was that in a "loose file" it was easier to disperse if the formation came under air attack or observation.  However, don't quote me.
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2011, 14:50:59 »
Can anyone tell me the origin of the term Ack-Ack? I'm instructing a Basic patrolling class, and want to know where that term came from

in the age of dinosaurs................

Actually it was explained to me as a take off of the ack ack guns (re: pom poms) where there is alternating. In the case of a loose formation the troops are not only spaced longitudinally, but alternately (envision going down a roadway where every second troop is on one side of the road, the other on the other side)....

or it could be they ran out of ammunition and got tired of saying bang bang...... ;D
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2011, 15:12:36 »
.... I do recall (during BOTC or Infantry Phase 2?) someone asking a similiar question of the DS; the answer (I think but we may have been eating from aluminiun mess tins) was that in a "loose file" it was easier to disperse if the formation came under air attack or observation ....
I recall, from the late 70's, a similar explanation.
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2011, 20:17:24 »
"ack-ack" (from the World War I phonetic alphabet for AA)
Anti-aircraft warfare
from the link:
Nicknames for anti-aircraft guns include AA, AAA or triple-A, an abbreviation of anti-aircraft artillery, "ack-ack" (from the World War I phonetic alphabet for AA),

example:
We left Midway at exactly 4:45 am flying in a formation of 12 planes. ... All hell seemed to be breaking loose on the ground as ack ack guns cut loose at us ...
so IMHO that would be its origin.

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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2011, 21:14:33 »
You could also submit a request to determine the origin from here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w--lHv-9q0&feature=related


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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2011, 21:24:24 »
I would posit that it's one of those usages of onomatopoeia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onomatopoeia
Much the same as bang, bang.
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Re: Word Origins
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2011, 17:06:50 »
Silly theory I might as well throw out.

But many older Anti-aircraft guns with twin barrels fired alternating( left right left right), so maybe that is how the terms are connected.


I've always believed this was the reason for the name as well. Does anyone know when the term started being used?
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