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« on: October 01, 2003, 00:34:00 »
Hello,
could anyone tell me what the regulations on dying your hair in the Army Reserve? I‘ve looked through the CF Dress and Deportment guide and the only thing I can find that comes close is: "Hair should be kept and styled as to not interfer with the wearing of a headress". Other than, its all regs on lengths, etc.
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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2003, 00:42:00 »
In my unit I was told that if you coudl find the colour in nature on a human‘s head then you coudl dye that colour. If you couldn‘t find  it then you couldn‘t dye that colour.

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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2003, 01:53:00 »
I‘m not sure what the dress regs state exactly, but it does need to be a colour that occurs in nature. I once had to jack a female recruit who showed up with pink hair; her Sergeant wasn‘t too impressed with that one!
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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2003, 07:56:00 »
Ref: A-AD-265-000, Chap 2, sect 2 (CF dress regs)
"Unusual colours, such as green, bright red, orange, purple etc... are not permitted"
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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2003, 12:14:00 »
But things like highlighting, streaking, and dying it say - blonde, are OK? The reason I ask, is that there are 3 of us at our unit; two guys with streaked hair, and myself - top dyed blonde, who were told that we would have to talk to the CSM about it. The thing is; all of our dyed hair is not visible with headress on anyways. Not to mention - last year I saw some NCO‘s running around with dyed hair....

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2003, 17:41:00 »
A new private in my unit came in with the top of his hair dyed blonde

He had to either wash it out, or shave it off

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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2003, 07:35:00 »
Of course, there are rules.. then there are the rules that the individual RSMs get to apply.. but here is the quote from the dress regs minus the female and cultural parts....

"HAIR

4. Hair on the head shall be neatly groomed
and conservatively styled. The length, bulk or style of
hair shall not detract from a positive military
appearance or preclude the proper wear of military
headdress. (Bulk is the distance that the mass of hair
extends from the skin, when groomed, as opposed to
the length of hair.) In particular, style and colour shall
not present a bizarre, exaggerated, or unusual
appearance. Unusual colours, such as green, bright
red, orange, purple, etc., are not permitted. Hair must
be secured or styled back to reveal the face, and any
accessories used to secure or control hair styles shall
be as unobtrusive as possible. Hair ornaments shall
not be worn, except women’s conservative barrettes
which blend with the hair colour. Shaving of all of the
hair on the head is permitted. The personal manner
of wearing hair within these general style limits,
including moustaches, beards and braids, shall be
modified to the degree necessary to accommodate
operational or occupational equipment, such as gas,
oxygen and scuba masks, hard, combat and flying
helmets, etc., where a member’s safety or mission is
put in jeopardy.


5. The following additional details apply to
specific groups to accord with cultural rights and
public perceptions of a disciplined force:

a. Men (see Figure 2-2-1). Hair shall be taper-trimmed
at the back, sides, and above the
ears to blend with the hair-style; be no more
than 15 cm (6 in.) in length and sufficiently
short that, when the hair is groomed and
headdress is removed, no hair shall touch
the ears or fall below the top of the
eyebrows; be no more than 4 cm (1-1/2 in.)
in bulk at the top of the head, gradually
decreasing to blend with the taper-trimmed
sides and back; and be kept free from the
neck to a distance of 2.5 cm (1 in.) above the
shirt collar. Taper trimmed square back
styles and shaving of all the hair on the head
are permitted.

(1) Sideburns. Sideburns shall not extend
below a line horizontally bisecting the
ear, and shall be squared off
horizontally at the bottom edge and
taper-trimmed to conform to the overall
hair style.


(2) Moustaches (see Figure 2-2-2). When
moustaches are worn alone, the
unshaven portion of the face shall not
extend outwards beyond the corners of
the mouth. Moustaches shall be kept
neatly trimmed; not be greater than 2
cm (3/4 in.) in bulk; not extend below
the corners of the mouth, not protrude
beyond the width of the face when fully
extended horizontally and worn in a
waxed, handlebar style."


Hope that helps
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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2003, 12:54:00 »
The key thing to remember about all of this is CONSERVATIVE. One guy in my unit with light brown hair had his hair tipped blonde, and it was fine because it was subtle and not noticeable. I, myself have red highlights in my hair, and no one has even noticed. However, if you have jet black hair and try to get away with bleaching it blonde, think again. It‘s an obvious unnatural combination, and I doubt any self-respecting CSM would let it go.

Then again, some of the more slack and idle units (no names) allow all sorts of nonsense in terms of hair, outrageous makeup, jewlery etc..
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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2003, 13:59:00 »
The crap about "it‘s under my hat anyway" is particularly funny.  If you go into a civvie restaurant, you take your hat off.  If you go into an Army mess, you take your hat off.  None of which is even remotely the point, anyway. If you are really having trouble understanding why we have standards of dress and deportment, maybe you need to re-evaluate why you joined the Forces in the first place.
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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2003, 18:09:00 »
I asked a question on regulations on highlighting/colouring of hair... Mr. Dorosh, guess those of us who dye our hair are inferior, slack and idle soldiers, time for us to turn in out kit since we can‘t understand uniformity...   :(  

 
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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2003, 18:23:00 »
I must agree with PTE Gruending. I always tried to look a little different than the rest so I guess I should re-evaluate the ten years I did?? And to think I was proud of it.
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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2003, 18:42:00 »
Asked my SSM today.. after my other post... He said that hair should not go to extremes, and that‘s all, "conservative" is the word he used.. As for the whole "your hair has to match your ID card" that some people state, then the same thing would apply to people‘s growing of facial hair he said!! If you have a moustache in your ID picture, then by rights, you HAVE to have a moustache!
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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2003, 15:31:00 »
What I have to say about guys colouring their hair won‘t be liked much, but I‘ll take the slams that will come with it. I think that it‘s okay for my wife to dye her hair. And maybe old ladies should dye their hair too. Fighting soldiers should have more important things than running about with frosted hair. Some MWO‘s must be absolutly eating their berets over this. VVV

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2003, 18:39:00 »
Patraig, well everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so i say "to each his own". And regarding your comments; I think that this is a reserve issue, for the most part, as we are living on civy street as opposed to being full time troops.
 
Of course uniformity must be maintained, however there are so many examples of where the rules are bent or broken; females with long hair, mustaches, navy/pioneer beards, wedding rings, makeup for females, religious necklaces, and cultural items (ie: a beard for your religion, etc).

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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2003, 20:27:00 »
Pte Grueling,

I liked your response. But I feel a bit different about the reserve/regular issue. Here‘s what I think.
We all serve the same master. I never really thought differently about militia/reserve soldiers/sailor/airmen(women). We all choose this lifestyle knowing that it means giving up many priveledges in order to wear the uniform. In doing this we are better for the choice.

Reserve, Regular it‘s all the same to me.

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Re: Regulations on hair colouring
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2003, 00:16:00 »
Re: Pte. Grueling‘s most recent post.

It has been a while since I had the opportunity to review the regulations for dress and deportment (spent the better part of 9 months reading them in the Regimental QMS at the 49th Fd. Regt. RCA) - but I do believe there were provisions for "cultural items" such as the religious beard he believes is a broken rule.

As for moustaches, ‘twas always explained to me while serving that the part of the moustache that was contained within the perimeter of the face and above the lip belonged to the soldier -- anything else belonged to the Army and was theirs to deal with as they pleased.  Hence the sharply pointed and heavily waxed handlebar moustaches that looked like they could pull in a Buffalo TV station on a good day.

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hair cuts and colours
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2003, 01:39:00 »
Where can I find the manual outlining proper hair cuts online . I know there are some on paper but I can‘t get access to it

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Re: hair cuts and colours
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2003, 09:20:00 »
Hmm, I can‘t seem to find it specifically either.  But if you have the reference number here are the links to the QR&Os and CFAOs.

QR&O:
 http://www.dnd.ca/admfincs/subjects/qr_o/intro_e.asp

CFAO:
 http://www.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/cfao/intro_e.asp

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Re: hair cuts and colours
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2003, 10:42:00 »
This doesn‘t go into great detail but does offer some info on hair standards :

 http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/1_3_3.asp#HairStandards
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2003, 10:12:00 »
I‘ll be going away to BOTP in about a week.  I‘m getting to the point where I need a haircut, but if they automatically cut your hair out there for free anyway, I‘m just going to wait.

Kind of a frivolous question, but inquiring minds want to know!  Thanks.

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2003, 10:56:00 »
As a reservist they expect you to get one on your own time and money. Which I get for something like every Tuesday and that, but it‘s the same even when your at a base and on course. FYI the barber( female   :rolleyes:   ) is the only place to get your hair cut in Gagetown and she charges $8 , ( even if its just tappering the sides ).

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Re: Do they cut your hair in Basic?
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2003, 10:56:00 »
Yes. You will get a haircut unless you are already at the equivalent of a "zero" haircut. And you pay for it, so you might as well wait.

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Re: Do they cut your hair in Basic?
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2003, 11:42:00 »
I‘ve been shaving my head with the 1/8" guard every couple weeks for about the last 5 years.  I‘ve been more than happy to not have to pay for haircuts, ever.

  Will they let me bring my clippers to basic training?   Also, is a "zero haircut" just a shave with no guard?  If you showed up with your head already shaved to basic training, would they single you out for being a smarta$$?  Or would they just simply ignore it and not mention it?

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Re: Do they cut your hair in Basic?
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2003, 11:55:00 »
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Also, is a "zero haircut" just a shave with no guard? If you showed up with your head already shaved to basic training, would they single you out for being a smarta$$? Or would they just simply ignore it and not mention it?
Great question, and one I‘ve been meaning to ask... I‘ve been shaving my head for almost 8 yrs now... I can‘t remember the last time I had hair enough I needed shampoo... Should I let it grow and stick with a brush cut? Will I even have time to shave my head at/during basic?

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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2003, 12:29:00 »
On the SQ I was on this summer, a guy had a pair of clippers which we used to shave our head. We were then told by the higher-ups that apparently its against the rules to cut your own hair or have someone other then a professional to do it. SO you can, but be careful eh.