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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #425 on: January 06, 2013, 18:39:06 »
I think you're the prime example of someone who has planned and thought this career choice through.  I think what most people on here are trying to articulate is that BMQ/BMOQ is a tool to measure one's suitability in a military environment.  If you cannot handle being incommunicado for the 5 week indoctrination  period, what will you do when its 5 months and you don't know if your spouse is alive or dead.  I commend you for preparing yourself and your family for the worst case scenario and for the sometimes hard military life.  It sounds like you have a great support system and I just wish more people thought like you, then maybe we'd have less people VRing.   

Thank you Half-pint. 

For other readers, don't get me wrong, I in no way am disparaging anyone's thoughts and feelings who are in favour of cells and such. I absolutely understand it--I don't agree with it, but i understand it. I'm just surprised that such a change was implemented is all.  I hadn't even thought of the possibility of anyone being allowed until I started coming across it on the boards...

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #426 on: January 06, 2013, 21:21:54 »
I know I'll hate myself for posting in here, but......
Could you provide one example, preferably from actual military experience rather than "a friend's dead uncle had heard," of someone going five months completely incommunicado and not knowing if a spouse was alive or dead.

That wasn't a disguised way to bail from a relationship...
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« Reply #427 on: January 07, 2013, 02:07:37 »
I know I'll hate myself for posting in here, but......
Could you provide one example, preferably from actual military experience rather than "a friend's dead uncle had heard," of someone going five months completely incommunicado and not knowing if a spouse was alive or dead.

That was a hyperbole.  ::)

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #428 on: January 07, 2013, 02:46:08 »
That was a hyperbole.  ::)
Perfect. The overwhelming percentage of people posting to these Recruiting threads can't even comprehend hyperbole, let alone spell it. Thanks.

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« Reply #429 on: January 07, 2013, 05:48:57 »
Not gonna bring my gadgets.  I don't have a cell phone, but I have an Ipad and a laptop.  Both are staying home, if I don't have that stuff I won't be distracted from doing what needs to be done.  I know me.  Family can live without hearing from me for a bit. Will do em good.

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« Reply #430 on: January 07, 2013, 06:48:51 »
Bring them.  You will go crazy on the wknds if you dont.

Good point.  I don't think my family would appreciate me drinking my pay away every weekend.  Getting a little too old for that.  Doubt my liver can handle that kind of abuse anymore.   I'll discuss it with my husband to see what would be best in that regard. 

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #431 on: January 07, 2013, 07:57:12 »
That was a hyperbole.  ::)

So, no fact based example? I'm dying to know if I could have based former lies on some half truth.
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« Reply #432 on: January 07, 2013, 10:16:47 »
That was a hyperbole.  ::)

More like comparing a paper cut to an amputation.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #433 on: January 07, 2013, 10:52:50 »
I love my wife but I know that without the limited contact I would find BMQ very difficult (She will complain and I will feel bad). We both need the time apart to get prepared for the change. The separation will force my wife to become less dependent on me so in the future I won't be getting calls about the bug that just ran across the floor.
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When I was in BMOQ first time,having cell phone helped my wife to pass through time when I was not near her.
In my humble opinion if there is opportunity to use tools of communications use it. It is not for you first of all.It is for your family members - wives, husbands, children etc. You don't need to build artificial difficulties for yourself.Because your relatives can get it.If you have permission and opportunity using tools of communication why not to use? Maybe sometimes you will have situation when you can not use it like being on the mission.Then there is not choice. But now, at CFLRS there are also payphones and you can give a call to your family member even once a week.It helps , believe me.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #434 on: January 07, 2013, 13:19:02 »
Bring them.  You will go crazy on the wknds if you dont.

I was about to write a whole rant about actually getting outside or reading a book on weekends, then realised that as I didn't write it in txt spk, most of those who that comment would be directed to would not be able to read it anyways.



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« Reply #435 on: January 07, 2013, 17:45:59 »
I just went 4 weeks without my cell phone while it was getting repaired.

The world continued to turn.

My wife didn't die.

My life didn't change.

Only thing that sucked was when I got my car stuck I had to walk to a neighbors house and get him to help me.

all in all, life went on around me like I still had my phone.

Amazing things.

I also think that having super communication with others produces more problems then it solves.  Always being in contact with someone isn't always a good thing.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #436 on: January 07, 2013, 18:04:11 »
If I'm able to say goodnight to my 3 year old son via my cell phone every few nights I'm all for it., it will help me and it will help him to know daddy is gone but still loves him..

Thank you for allowing phones for such reasons..

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #437 on: January 07, 2013, 19:29:06 »
You're welcome, now let me see what I can do about the whole tattoo thing.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #438 on: January 14, 2013, 09:50:17 »
My husband went through BMQ May-Aug 2012. The CO of his platoon didnt take away their cell phones, but other platoons did. I think it just all depends on how strict of a CO you get. My husband was able to quickly call us every night after 6pm for 5 minutes, but thats all we needed. When he went to Farhnam, I believe weeks 9 and 11, he couldnt call us as he was in the field. That was the longest we went, but bt that time we were so used to him being gone that the week went quickly. When I go to BMQ I will be bringing my laptop so I can skype with my 17 month old daughter. Of course if it is taken away until week 5 then a phone call will have to suffice.

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« Reply #439 on: January 15, 2013, 19:19:04 »
My husband went through BMQ May-Aug 2012. The CO of his platoon didnt take away their cell phones, but other platoons did. I think it just all depends on how strict of a CO you get. My husband was able to quickly call us every night after 6pm for 5 minutes, but thats all we needed. When he went to Farhnam, I believe weeks 9 and 11, he couldnt call us as he was in the field. That was the longest we went, but bt that time we were so used to him being gone that the week went quickly. When I go to BMQ I will be bringing my laptop so I can skype with my 17 month old daughter. Of course if it is taken away until week 5 then a phone call will have to suffice.

This.  This is part of the 'indoc' to the CF both members and their families have to do.  Adjust from the start (BMQ), so the REAL seperations, deployments, etc where you ARE cut-off for OPSEC, etc, you can do it without going friggin' Coo Coo For Cocoa Puffs
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« Reply #440 on: January 15, 2013, 20:17:44 »
This.  This is part of the 'indoc' to the CF both members and their families have to do.  Adjust from the start (BMQ), so the REAL seperations, deployments, etc where you ARE cut-off for OPSEC, etc, you can do it without going friggin' Coo Coo For Cocoa Puffs.

I agree. It was tough simply because our daughter was only 7 months old. However, we both knew what we were signing up for before he left. Some days were harder. It was actually nice though to be apart, it really brought us closer together. It was even hard incorprating him back into daily life when he came home. I think once people realize its not the end of the world because you cant talk to your spouse or family for a few days or weeks, then itlll be easier for them. When I go through, my BMQ will be 13 weeks, plus my course training will be 6 months. He was away for 7 months total, I will be away about a year total ( depending on how long I wait for my course ). Agian, we already know what we are in for. If people question whether or not they can handle being away from your spouse, kids, etc for 13+weeks, then maybe people should reconsider their enrollment.

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« Reply #441 on: January 15, 2013, 20:28:32 »
I agree. It was tough simply because our daughter was only 7 months old. However, we both knew what we were signing up for before he left. Some days were harder. It was actually nice though to be apart, it really brought us closer together. It was even hard incorprating him back into daily life when he came home. I think once people realize its not the end of the world because you cant talk to your spouse or family for a few days or weeks, then itlll be easier for them. When I go through, my BMQ will be 13 weeks, plus my course training will be 6 months. He was away for 7 months total, I will be away about a year total ( depending on how long I wait for my course ). Agian, we already know what we are in for. If people question whether or not they can handle being away from your spouse, kids, etc for 13+weeks, then maybe people should reconsider their enrollment.

Agree 100%.  You need to get on the Recruiting threads and sort that sorry lot of whiners out.   >:D
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #442 on: January 15, 2013, 20:31:53 »
Agree 100%.  You need to get on the Recruiting threads and sort that sorry lot of whiners out.   >:D

Haha I only come to share my personal stories and opinions. I dont want to be the one to personally crush someone's dreams   :P

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« Reply #443 on: January 15, 2013, 20:33:39 »
Don't crush their dreams...just cyber-slap them until they grown some thick skin and stop saying "me me me me me me".
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« Reply #444 on: January 15, 2013, 20:40:17 »
Don't crush their dreams...just cyber-slap them until they grown some thick skin and stop saying "me me me me me me".

I like you lol. This and many other things really p**s me off about how many people get in and are so ungrateful for the opportunity they are given. I know I am digressing, but when my husband went through, he had at least 3 people get kicked off course from DUI's. Other were kicked off the platoon in basic for DUI's, being charged or swiped too many times. It angers someone like me, who has wanted to be apart of the CF's since I was a child, and have jumped through hoops to get there ( almost there :) ). I have to sacrifice being away from my 17month old daughter for a year!! Ya that's gonna be tough as hell, but I know that the benefits will be so much more than the sacrifice.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Personal Electronics during course [MERGED]
« Reply #445 on: January 15, 2013, 21:35:51 »
Here is an interesting thought:

It never hurts to suffer some deprivation as long as long term health or safety is not affected. Soldiers do not need wireless internet in the field, nor do they require MP3 players or iPods and iPads in the defensive position, or a camcorder on patrol to upload their latest adventures to You Tube, or their cell phone to check in three times a day with 9er Domestic.  While many of our troops possess some of these electronic devices (and yes I do as well) they are not required when we are deployed on exercise or operations.
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« Reply #446 on: January 15, 2013, 21:44:32 »
Soldiers do not need....or a camcorder on patrol to upload their latest adventures to You Tube...

While I agree it isn't a requirement to go around with a camera all the time just to get some hero shots and TIC videos for you tube videos,  but they do make for some cool tour videos  :D

On a serious note,  cameras and helmet cams can be beneficial and used in AARs(training and operations),  photographing people in the area(important people,  suspected bad guys, etc),  as well as some other things. 

Time and place for everything.
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« Reply #447 on: January 15, 2013, 22:15:53 »
On a serious note,  cameras and helmet cams can be beneficial and used in AARs(training and operations),  photographing people in the area(important people,  suspected bad guys, etc),  as well as some other things. 

Time and place for everything.

This I agree with. BUT there has to be a designated vid/pic guy....not everyone.
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« Reply #448 on: January 16, 2013, 00:22:49 »
I always find this topic funny.  I remember having my electronics taken away on my BIQ back in the day.  They would open up the lock up on weekends so people could get the gadgets etc with a condition they were returned Sunday night be a certain timing.  On the second week, my Phone and Camera were found on inspection.  I initially got jacked up and asked why I had my devices.  With my feet together, I told my NCO that my devices were handed over as per instruction on week one but on the first weekend, I discovered that they were left unlocked and thus unsecured over the weekend, (they opened up the locker but didn't lock it up at night etc)  Believe it or not but they didn't challenge me and I kept my stuff for the rest of course.

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« Reply #449 on: January 16, 2013, 12:33:15 »
Alright; thought it was time to add some official CFLRS policy into this.  I'll not be posting a "SOP complete", but here are the important parts from Electronic Devices Usage By Candidates:

2.  This SOP applies to candidates on BMQs and all BMOQ serials, except the CHS BMOQ. It does not apply to GMT-IT, PLQ or OC courses. It also excludes WPC candidates, for which appropriate usage is defined in SOP 11-09.

5.  Prohibited Use  The following uses are prohibited during basic training at CFLRS. Any candidate found not respecting these will face confiscation of their devices and possible additional admin/disciplinary measures:
a. no electronic devices are authorized to be used/carried during training hours;
b. game consoles are unauthorized at all times and will be confiscated upon arrival; and
c. any type of ear buds/ear phones are not authorized at any time on any devices for security/safety reasons.

6.  Allowed Use  The following uses are authorized during basic training at CFLRS. However any abusive usage could lead to confiscation of a candidate’s devices and possible additional administrative/ disciplinary measures:
a. cell phones of all nature can be used on weeknights AFTER training has concluded but no earlier than 1800hrs. Reasonable usage should be restricted to communications with family and friends; and
b. other devices such as MP3s, IPods, IPads, laptops, etc MAY be authorized during the weekends in garrison if there is no training scheduled and if performance has been judged adequate by the Platoon Commander.

7. As a guideline to define “reasonable usage”, a maximum of 30 minutes per evening is considered to be reasonable. That does not prevent the instructor from initiating a corrective measure for a lesser usage if the activities of a particular evening justify it.

8. The main corrective measure to be used when an unauthorized/abusive usage of electronic devices is identified will be confiscation. When applied, a confiscation will include all of the candidate’s devices.

10. The length of confiscation will vary depending on the number of offences committed, as such: a first offence will result in a 3 day confiscation, a second offence 7 days and a third one, 3 weeks.

11. At no time will a confiscation be used as a punitive measure. Here are examples of infractions that would justify a confiscation:
a. insecure devices found during a security inspection;
b. using a device when not authorized;
c. abusive use of a device when usage is permitted;
d. poor preparation for an inspection (layout or common tasks); and
e. homework not completed or late.
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