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The last time I lived in a "Q" was '99 and I swear i will never do it again! The living room window in our bungalow in Shilo was cracked around the frame; there was actually a gap in the wall in places so that you could see outside. In the winter there would be ice on the floor in the living room and on the walls. In the duplex we moved into the bathroom was upstairs on the second floor and the toilet leaked so bad the ceiling in the kitchen was sagging from the moisture. After months of calling CFHA finally sent a contractor in to do repairs and the man was embarrased as all he was allowed to do was tape the ceiling and paint. It took 2 people to close the dining room window; one person pushed from outside while the other turned the crank on the inside. Our inspections were no picnic either. CFHA gave us a white glove inspection. I was actually told I had to spray the dust off the siding. I couldn't believe the standards to which I had to clean when they would only patch things that needed major repairs. And every single bathroom I've ever been in in a "Q" has black mold on the tiles and the basements all leak. When you compare the problems with the rising cost of rents you are much better off living on the economy or buying a home. As for not being able to afford economy housing it's really not the cost of the housing the lower ranks can't afford it's the cost of the housing plus the car payments and new furniture/computer payments. And as for cleaning costs being only $100.....................I've never seen them lower than $350 for a 2 bedroom bungalow and close to $500 for a duplex ( the cost is so high because it's covered in your move pkg by IRP )

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Re: Military Housing (CFHA)....RENT INCREASE (but it may be reversed)
« Reply #101 on: March 31, 2005, 12:52:03 »
PMQ rent doesn't always go up...mine went down by a whole five bucks last assessment!

Just thought I'd thow that out there.

What I was told by CFHA if you have a rent decrease on your last assessment your rent has already equalized to the local martket value of the home. So if the market goes up so will the rent if the market go down again so will your rent. The scary fact if a house on the local market is in far better shape and conditon and any PMQ out there. When I was posted to Cold Lake it was impossible to buy a house they were way too expensive so I had no choice but to move into a PMQ. they have you by the BALLS in areas like those.
Now I am in Trenton my house is the same size I don't have a garage like I did in Cold Lake and my rent is almost $100 more.
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I have my "Statement and demand for municipal and school taxes" in front of me.  No PMQs avail.  $3809.71.  Yes, the $56 PLD (taxable) will go a long way towards that.  Crocodile tears all round, mates.
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Good old talk about PMQ's.   In Kingston, we had a 1050 sq ft 2bdrm duplex.   We paid $650/month,  plus hydro was about $60-70 per month, plus the water of $15 (I think?)... then there came the gas bill  ::)  If it werent for the Equal Billing Payment plan, in the winter we would have been paying $230-$290 for heat for our tiny duplex.  All because of the lovely 1/2" gap between the door in our backyard, and the doorframe, and the gaps from the window's as well.  Needless to say in the summer, we got spiders, mosquitos,ants, earwigs, everything coming in from back there.  The draft was terrible as well.   Not to mention we had a closet that was growing mould very quicly a few months after we moved in, and it took 2 months for CFHA to come in and look at it.Within those two months they just told us to wash the walls with bleach, they refused to come over and look at it. They never did until we called Ottawa about it, then the next day an inspector showed up and he was horrified that we had more mould on the wall, then the white paint.  They had to tear down the jiprock and all, and Preventive Medicine said it was due to poor insulation.   Yet, cfha had the nerve to try to make us pay for this (almost $1000) when the PMed Officer said it was not our fault.   The bill went up the chain of command, only to come back down saying we were not responsible due to what PMed said. Then the day of our move, our housing manager came to our door yet again, and told us to give us the money or she would not seize our rent. So, after talking to the CO the day our movers were there, we paid it and filed a greivance (still waiting to get the $$ back).

So, needless to say we will never move back into a PMQ.   Its not worth the hassle of what they try to make you responsible for,  plus the price of a house that hasnt been maintained , plus the utilities that suffer because of the lack of maintnance,  it wasnt worth the $900+ we were paying in total per month.   We would have moved, but on a Ocdt pay the $$ dont just pop out of nowhere to pay all the costs for moving.

Just thought Id put in our horrid CFHA experience here.

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transportation/ housing
« Reply #104 on: April 04, 2005, 18:59:59 »
I might go to college and if I do I will live in the dorms. The college I am thinking about going to is close to the unit but out of walking/ running distance. I probably won't have a car because I can't afford it. So I was thinking of taking a bus to the armouries. If I do this am I aloud to wear my combats on the bus or just change when I get there? Also do they offer housing to reserve guys? if so is it expensive? I don't want to come off like a cheap skate but I probably wont have a lot of money.

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Re: transportation/ housing
« Reply #105 on: April 04, 2005, 19:19:59 »
I see many people in Halifax ride the bus to/from work in NCD's and CADPAT. It is an approved "Walking Out" dress therefore there should be no reason why you wouldn't be permitted to wear your uniform on the bus.

As for housing for Reservists, unless you are on a full time callout, I would believe that you are out of luck.
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Re: transportation/ housing
« Reply #106 on: April 04, 2005, 19:53:40 »
I see many people in Halifax ride the bus to/from work in NCD's and CADPAT. It is an approved "Walking Out" dress therefore there should be no reason why you wouldn't be permitted to wear your uniform on the bus.

Quite true.  Commuting to/from your unit in any order of dress is acceptable with two caveats:

1. Ensure your uniform is presentable (wearing mud covered CADPAT home from an exercise will not make you popular with a cab driver)
2. Many public transit providers frown on large carry-on items such as rucksacks and duffel bags.  Store your field kit at your unit.

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As for housing for Reservists, unless you are on a full time callout, I would believe that you are out of luck.

Again, true.  While on Class "A" service, housing is an individual responsibility.  If you're on a call out of a year or more you can get free rations and quarters if any are available.  Failing that you can apply for subsidzed housing on some (but not all) bases.
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Re: transportation/ housing
« Reply #107 on: April 04, 2005, 20:14:15 »
Alright thanks :)
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As a retired soldier, I retired in 1980 with 27 full years of service. I bought my first home in London in 1966. I was a Cpl, and  after being offered a 2 bedroom PMQ, when I had  a wife and 2 kids...the home was not big enough for a family. So I went out on the market bought a brand new home. I scraped together the downpayment, the interest rate was 7% then. After getting transferred to Montreal in 1971, selling my home in London, then buying a home outside of Montreal. I got posted to Calgary 1976.  I sold my home outside of Montreal. I couldn't take time to go to Calgary to find a place...so I was lucky and got a 4 bdrm unit semi-detached. I had 4 children now. . The neighbours told me that that was the dirtiest home in the PMQ's. The soldier who was there had walked away from the army and his family. So when she left, she packed up her kids and walked. The unit was then painted with gloss white paint...right over all the dirt...when we arrived..it was take it or walk...A truck load of furniture, and a wife and 4 young children. I then started looking for a home off the base..I did, I bought a place, and only spent 3 months in PMQ's. I was then posted to Toronto in 1979. I sold my house for a considerable profit.

My story is...I would never live in a PMQ again. I got some wifes in Calgary to picket the front gate of the base over the housing conditions...and their husbands got in trouble...or as I said they "chickened out" and let the army screw them...that's them not me.

I see people living in PMQ's and making good money...and don't tell me you don't make good money. I see all the pickup trucks, the boats, the campers...all the toys..Joe down the road gets a new truck ...you all got to get a new truck.

I see people retiring, who don't have a pot to piss in, they then have to adjust to a new life, and maybe try to buy a home, and start a mortgage...it's too damn late.

Just stop buying the "Toys for Big Boys" and save some money for a down payment...the interest rates are at lowest in over half a century...I was paying over 14%  on a mortgage once. I invested in a home, and to me it payed off in spades...it's your choice...Toys for Big Boys....or a home for your family...all paid off when you retire.

I only made it to Sgt., pay level 6...my top pay in 1979 was $20,000/year

So the moral of the story is don't complain...buy a home and move out, or rent off base, and get away from that PMQ mentality

The choice is yours

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Next year my wife and I are looking forward to a posting to Kingston.  What are the PMQ avail and rates?  We have 3 kids.... Thanks
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Next year my wife and I are looking forward to a posting to Kingston.   What are the PMQ avail and rates?   We have 3 kids.... Thanks

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Next year my wife and I are looking forward to a posting to Kingston.   What are the PMQ avail and rates?   We have 3 kids.... Thanks


We just moved from Kingston. I posted our horrid CFHA experience on page 7 (2nd last post).   For a family of 3, your gonna get a 4bdrm (unless if you want 3).  A 4bdrm PMQ is about $800, plus heat and hydro (your looking at about $60-70 for hydro, and $190-$260 for heat)
There are PLENTY of PMQs available in Kingston, as everyone is moving out of them.  When we moved last year, it seemed like a quarter of them where empty.  Oh, no basements either.

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pets in military housing?
« Reply #112 on: May 02, 2005, 08:24:06 »
hi, are pets (small dogs) permitted in military housing if your family moves into such a thing?
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Re: pets in military housing?
« Reply #113 on: May 02, 2005, 09:14:23 »
generally speaking yes they are ,but if its an exotic you may have to check with the local regs
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Re: pets in military housing?
« Reply #114 on: May 06, 2005, 01:21:18 »
Best thing to do is check with CFHA.  Everybase has it's own rules.  For example; here in Winnipeg it all depends on which PMQ's you are in.
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Re: pets in military housing?
« Reply #115 on: May 08, 2005, 11:35:12 »
In edmonton what you can have depends on the countys bilaws in Edmontonyou can have up to a max of 3 domestic animals.

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Next year my wife and I are looking forward to a posting to Kingston.   What are the PMQ avail and rates?   We have 3 kids.... Thanks

If you can scrounge up a downpayment, you will pay less for mortgage, property tax, and utilities if you buy in Kingston than if you were to move into a Q.  I left Kingston 2 years ago and my monthly living bill was $1000 and that included the above PLUS condo fees!!!  In addition, the money put on the principle is still yours!  I know it's sometimes difficult to get the initial downpayment, especially if you have 3 kids and your wife is searching for a new job, but the monthly expenses will be cheaper if you can.

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Re: pets in military housing?
« Reply #117 on: May 17, 2005, 08:41:16 »
Q's will normally be OK.

Shacks not so much.

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Hello Everyone!

We recently got a message that we are being posted to Edmonton Just a few questions on the PMQ situation.

Can anyone tell me what the cost of a 2 bedroom PMQ and also if they are decent,   also i was wondering if there was any place online that would have photos of the PMQ's.

Any help would be greatful.   Thanks so much!

« Last Edit: May 23, 2005, 20:46:22 by jewel80002000 »

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Wow,

Thanks Michael for the info on the PMQ situation, that is very expensive.

Does anyone have any suggestions of some nice areas that we should be looking at while we are on our house hunting trip, to buy a house!

We are only looking for something small as we don't have kids. any suggestions for some areas we should be looking would be great.

Thanks once again

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Wow,

Thanks Michael for the info on the PMQ situation, that is very expensive.

Does anyone have any suggestions of some nice areas that we should be looking at while we are on our house hunting trip, to buy a house!

We are only looking for something small as we don't have kids. any suggestions for some areas we should be looking would be great.

Thanks once again

Try the lago lindo area....castle downs area......St-Albert was getting expensive when i left........fort saskatchewan was looking prety good

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The housing market has been pretty good for the last couple of years in Edmonton (as well as the rest of Canada).   See the Edmonton Real Estate Board website:

http://www.ereb.com/

Their most recent news release on market conditions is below:

http://www.ereb.com/marketactivity/April2005.html

I live in St Albert (small city to the north west of Edmonton) and the prices are quite high.   While it is a beautiful community, you may not be able to afford it if you are a first time home buyer.   Property taxes are quite high as well.

If you are a first time homebuyer, I suggest you look at places to the north of the city (Morinville, Gibbons, etc) or to the east/west of the city (Stony Plain/Fort Saskatchewan/Sherwood Park) or in the north end of Edmonton (castedowns, castlebrook, etc).   Canada Lands Corporation is developing the old army base at Greisbach if you are interested in living in a newer area that is closer to downtown Edmonton.

For my 2 cents, I highly encourage soldiers to buy their own home.   While you may not be able to afford the newest 4x4 as those living in PMQs, your money (rent) is going towards something you will own once you retire.   The market has been rising steadily in Edmonton for some time but with interest rates still at their lowest levels in decades, home ownership is still an affordable dream.   Once again, my 2 cents, as everyone has different circumstances.

Good luck.

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In the event that we don't find a house..... are the PMQ's in Edmonton in good shape!  Hopefully we won't need to go that route but I just have to keep my options open..

Any info on the PMQ's would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again.

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some are being run totally by civies .. other then that they are pmq's
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