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Regarding Formation Badges.
« on: August 23, 2013, 16:55:24 »
Currently a civvie/cadet speaking, with little knowledge on the *actual* Canadian Forces dress regs.

Just curious, I have no real reason for knowing other than that, is the Formation Badge usually worn on your DEU? Apparently the Calgary Highlanders do, but on other members' DEU, I can't seem to notice them wearing their Formation Badge. Is it up to the Commanding Officer of the Brigade Group? I tried a search, couldn't find any information on the subject. If there is information on this subject elsewhere, a redirect would be much appreciated! Thanks.  :)

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2013, 16:59:59 »
If you belong to an organization that is authorized to wear a certain Command badge, you wear it - provided you can get it, I know awhile ago people had trouble getting Land Force Command badges.


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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2013, 17:04:44 »
Interesting. How about Formation Badges? Like, these little thingies here that would normally go on your right sleeve?

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2013, 17:08:16 »
Interesting. How about Formation Badges? Like, these little thingies here that would normally go on your right sleeve?

Bde patches will go on the Right.   Div patches on the Left.
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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2013, 17:09:57 »
If you are a member of the brigade, you wear the brigade patch on the right sleeve - Not sure what the rules are for RCAF and RCN pers who are in a brigade unit(I don't remember if they wore them or not as it wasn't something I paid attention to).

Not all CF pers will belong to a brigade, so they don't wear a brigade patch on the right sleeve.  AFAIK, the Army will eventually be giving out division patches, and I assume they would be worn on the left sleeve.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2013, 17:11:55 »
If you are a member of the brigade, you wear the brigade patch on the right sleeve - Not sure what the rules are for RCAF and RCN pers who are in a brigade unit.

Not all CF pers will belong to a brigade, so they don't wear a brigade patch on the right sleeve.  AFAIK, the Army will eventually be giving out division patches, and I assume they would be worn on the left sleeve.

Except for the PPCLI, who for the 18 months of the year of their centennial will wear two divisional patches.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2013, 17:55:58 »
Except for the PPCLI, who for the 18 months of the year of their centennial will wear two divisional patches.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2013, 18:33:01 »
Except for the PPCLI, who for the 18 months of the year of their centennial will wear two divisional patches.

Really?  You had to go there?   ;D
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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2013, 18:45:00 »
To be fair, I'm guessing the PPCLI have elected to have an 18 month centennial year based on sound medical advice - spreading the parties over 18 months might lessen the liver damage...
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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2013, 01:19:46 »
If one is part of Div HQ or Div troops, will they wear the Div Patch on both sleeves?

... I would also like to propose a rainbow patch for LFDTS.  Those poor fellows are missing out on so much uniform bling.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2013, 01:40:47 »
Honestly, I'd much rather wear brigade patches on both arms.

Who the frig thought Grey was a colour for a military division!? I'd rather be purple because it ties back to regality.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2013, 07:46:25 »
If one is part of Div HQ or Div troops, will they wear the Div Patch on both sleeves?

... I would also like to propose a rainbow patch for LFDTS.  Those poor fellows are missing out on so much uniform bling.

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I'm pondering whether I should wear both the 1 Div and 4 Div patches on my uniform, as my unit belongs to both. Maybe one on each arm....

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2013, 19:59:32 »
Except for the PPCLI, who for the 18 months of the year of their centennial will wear two divisional patches.

I think you are confusing the Red traditional PPCLI clothe shoulder titles with the French Grey 3 Can Div patch that everyone out west will eventually wear.  I'm with 1 PPCLI and have heard nothing of wearing more than this.


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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2013, 20:01:16 »
Bde patches will go on the Right.   Div patches on the Left.

Actually tradition has it the other way around, the senior formation patch always goes on the right.  But the CA has made an exception for the new Div patches to safe tailoring costs. 

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 12:31:43 »
But the CA has made an exception for the new Div patches to safe tailoring costs.

They would save more money in tailor fees if they do not bother withdrawing a patch on every uniform.
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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2013, 12:36:33 »
They would save more money in tailor fees if they do not bother withdrawing a patch on every uniform.

New DEUs to have Velcro patches on sleeves to facilitate changing Bde and Div patches on posting.    >:D





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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2013, 13:49:44 »
New DEUs to have Velcro patches on sleeves to facilitate changing Bde and Div patches on posting.    >:D





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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2013, 14:07:13 »
Velcro is so low-tech and common. We can do much better.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2013, 14:13:28 »
Velcro is so low-tech and common. We can do much better.

LED monitors on our tummies - Teletubby-style - would enable rank, name, unit, blood type, religion, dietary requirements, drug and other allergies, medals, sexual preference, and anything else desireable to be displayed in any language, instantly adaptable to lighting and visibility requirements, and readily re-programmable remotely.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2013, 12:45:51 »
And an upgrade proposal: A proximity-based transponder in each device that compares signals between two devices and causes the display of higher-ranking commissioned wearers to pulsate, thereby alerting the junior member that a salute is required before it is too late to avoid a jacking. For the slow-to-react, an automatic pre-recorded jacking could initiated in either device.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2013, 13:00:29 »
To be fair, I'm guessing the PPCLI have elected to have an 18 month centennial year based on sound medical advice - spreading the parties over 18 months might lessen the liver damage...

Ok that sounds better than my "18 months = 1 year" based on NDHQ math.  8)
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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2013, 19:32:06 »
I'm pondering whether I should wear both the 1 Div and 4 Div patches on my uniform, as my unit belongs to both. Maybe one on each arm....

How can your unit belong to two HQ at the same time...I'm sure that the MOO/CFOO for your unit dictates a single formation that your unit falls under.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2013, 19:34:44 »
How can your unit belong to two HQ at the same time...I'm sure that the MOO/CFOO for your unit dictates a single formation that your unit falls under.

I'll have to pull up the CFOO and MOO, however we belong to 4 Can Div and are OPCON to 1 Can Div.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2013, 16:11:18 »
For a while now 21 Electronic Warfare Regiment, 4 Air Defence Regiment, and 4 Engineer Support Regiment have been wearing 1 Cdn Division patches on DEU, even though none of these units are actually in the 1 Cdn Division chain of command.  Now that LFAA/5 Div and LFCA/4 Div have their own division patches the question remains what badges will these units wear? And shouldn't  their badges match their actual chain of command?

Putting these units under centralized command and control does make some kind of sense, making 1 Div the home for unique and orphan capabilities that aren't assigned to a brigade. But if you're going to do it, then you have to go whole hog -- having a unit reporting to two higher formations simultaneously just creates twice as much paperwork and slows administration to a crawl. Actually assigning these three units to 1 Div would be very straightforward for 21 EW -- but for 4 AD and 4 ESER it would remove the last two reg force field units from LFAA/5 Div.

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Re: Regarding Formation Badges.
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2013, 16:47:14 »
....... but for 4 AD and 4 ESER it would remove the last two reg force field units from LFAA/5 Div.
And why does LFAA/5 Div "need" to keep these reg force field units?


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