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Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« on: September 25, 2012, 10:01:43 »
Just a few questions for the folks on the board.

So I was reading the CF leave manual today, because I'm sicker than a dog. The policy of the squadron at the moment is that if you're sick, goto the MIR and get a chit... Makes sense... Follows the orders, and that's what the military is run on.

But what if you've got kids to look after, no vehicle, or you can't make it?

I'm a shift worker, and I'm on afternoons this week... As I was reading the leave manual it said that the CO can grant 2 days...

Now are these two days at his discretion or is it the responsibility of the sergeant to speak on his behalf?

This has been an ongoing problem, especially with it being cold and flu season... I've seen guys working on the plane, drugged up on medication, because they're not able to get a day off to try and recuperate.  I also understand that people abuse the sick days, and take them on days when they're not sick...

Really I'm hoping that a few Mcpls and Sgt's on this forum could help me understand this reasoning they have... It used to be, if you're sick, take a day off... If you're sick for more than one day, goto the MIR and get a chit, because you're a lot sicker than you realized, or you may need a few more days.

It sucks because my g/f works in the morning, and I don't feel like lugging my son into the MIR (who's also sick) and wait 3-4 hours to be seen, and only given an afternoon shift off...

Thanks for the input lads, I appreciate it. 

p.s And if anyone has some suggestions I could pass up my CoC it'd be appreciated. I'd like to get the ball rolling on this, because someone's going to get hurt... We work on 250 million dollar aircraft, and having a foggy mind could lead to some pretty serious repercussions.

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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2012, 10:07:26 »
The two days "call in sick" has always been at the discretion of the unit CO. Some control it tightly requiring members to go to the MIR, some more loosely. Your unit seems to fall into the more tightly group. I suggest you go to the MIR today, and when you're back at work, inquire as to the formal policy. That way you won't have to face this dilemma again. You challenges outside the military have little to do with your requirement to report for duty.
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2012, 10:22:44 »
The two days "call in sick" has always been at the discretion of the unit CO. Some control it tightly requiring members to go to the MIR, some more loosely. Your unit seems to fall into the more tightly group. I suggest you go to the MIR today, and when you're back at work, inquire as to the formal policy. That way you won't have to face this dilemma again. You challenges outside the military have little to do with your requirement to report for duty.

Interesting if one of my guys call in sick that's generally not a problem as I don't want guys around to spread their sickness about. If its more than one day or I suspect its something else I have them come in to MIR.

As a supervisor I would be more worried about forcing someone who is sick and heavily medicated to drive in and potentially getting in an accident.
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2012, 10:48:47 »
I also understand that people abuse the sick days, and take them on days when they're not sick...

p.s And if anyone has some suggestions I could pass up my CoC it'd be appreciated. I'd like to get the ball rolling on this, because someone's going to get hurt... We work on 250 million dollar aircraft, and having a foggy mind could lead to some pretty serious repercussions.

Hence, the reason why your CoC does not allow CF pers to "call in sick".

Nevertheless, here is an interesting read on the DWAN (it's an oldie) but worth it, as it provides a look at such situations from an ethical perspective as opposed to regulatory...

http://ethics.mil.ca/scenarios/2008/sick-maladie-eng.aspx
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2012, 12:28:09 »
Hence, the reason why your CoC does not allow CF pers to "call in sick".

Nevertheless, here is an interesting read on the DWAN (it's an oldie) but worth it, as it provides a look at such situations from an ethical perspective as opposed to regulatory...

http://ethics.mil.ca/scenarios/2008/sick-maladie-eng.aspx

Thanks for that link, DAA.  Some good points in both reader responses.

Civ employees have a certain # of sick days per month - for my group it's 1.25 days/month or 15 days/year.  (Not counting injury/illness due to work - that's different.)  After that, you can advance up to another 25 days from future years' allotments, but then it starts getting into disability or incapacity and is handled differently.

We can call in sick, and register it afterwards as "Sick-Uncertified".  If it's certified by a doctor, on the other hand, and you were on vacation at the time, you can get that time added back to your vacation allotment.

Why I mention all this is that the limited availability of "sick time" is also a cap, of sorts, on potential abuse.   I've taken nowhere near my 15 days/year - more like 3 or 4, due to colds - but I'm glad I can save those days in case something serious happens later on. 

In the CF, after my first five years, my jobs were all static and I was able to call in sick without going to the MIR (once that policy came into place), but it depends on the unit.  Because there's no such "cap" in the CF, I wonder at what point a CF member's "uncertified" sick days in 1s & 2s would add up to a number indicating a possible medical problem? 


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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2012, 13:35:58 »
Hence, the reason why your CoC does not allow CF pers to "call in sick".

Hence what reason why?

Because some people abuse it?  That's a piss-poor excuse for punishing the masses.

QR&O 16.16 was changed years ago to permit personnel to call in to obtain their supervisor's approval for up to two consecutive days of sick leave, as delegated by the CO.  Of course COs can choose not to delegate, but this completely defeats the intent of the change, which was to prevent people who were suffering from colds, stomach bugs, or other minor but irritating ailments from coming in and making the MIR a big petri dish.

If Pte Bloggins' supervisor notes that he's called in sick 6 times in a month, then there's reason for Bloggins' supervisor to direct Bloggins to go see the MIR.  I have never understood why some units make it difficult for people because of the few who abuse the policy.

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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2012, 17:56:22 »
Occam, I don't think it is as wide spread as might be implied in earlier posts but you know it will happen-human nature.  I agree with someone else though. As a supervisor, it is your responsibility...your obligation to direct your young fella to Sick Parade if this becomes chronic. This is an advantage we have over some employers. My wife's work has someone who phones in atleast once a week and when her supervisor attempted to direct her to her Dr because she was 'concerned', the boss was slapped on the hand by the employee's union for 'singling out' an employee with a 'personal vendeta'. I almost s*** when my wife told me this and it was also when I realized that I wouldn't fit in very well in a union workplace!
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2012, 18:39:36 »
As an RSM, I don't like the idea of "calling in" sick. It does leave room for abuse....HOWEVER....

If we instill a sense of responsibility and accountability into our soldiers, and specifically in this case towards "calling in sick" and abusing it is wrong, and if we find out you're golfing while "out sick" you will be held accountable.

My civvy side job is a union job where we can call in sick. It is horribly abused....and I am understating that.
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2012, 18:45:19 »
QR&O 16.16 was changed years ago to permit personnel to call in to obtain their supervisor's approval for up to two consecutive days of sick leave, as delegated by the CO. 

I don't see anywhere in the QR&O that permits anyone to call in for anything.........

Bottom line, you have no rights what so ever to "call in" for anything, it's that simple.  Just like you cannot "call in" and say "I am taking Annual Leave today", can you, can you call in and tell your Supr that your taking leave today???   What happened here, was the authorization for "Sick Leave", on a limited basis (ie' 2 days per month) was "delegated" to Commanding Officers in an attempt to cut down on the workload of the local Base/Wing Hospital Staff in having to deal with relatively simple non-complicated medical issues (ie; colds and flu's).  The CF Leave Manual affords CO's that option, how they want to implement it, is there choice.

I am entitled to Annual Leave every year but yet, when I submit a leave pass, my CO can choose whether or not to "approve" it.  And I believe in most cases, Base/Wing/Unit Standing Orders say that you need to submit your request anywhere between 7 and 14 working/calendar days in advance.

Personal experience.........I have always let my staff call in sick, with reason.  In one case, I had an individual who did call in sick, exacty 2 days every month.  On the forth month when he called in, I told him to go the the MIR and that his "privilege" to call in was no longer available.  I was NOT about to penalize an entire section for the actions of an individual in a case like this, that's just silly.

PS - and leaving a "voice message" doesn't count!!!  The individual must talk to someone in a position of authority, within his/her CoC!!!  So calling the Pte at work to say your sick, doesn't quite cut it....
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2012, 19:05:55 »
Occam, I don't think it is as wide spread as might be implied in earlier posts but you know it will happen-human nature.  I agree with someone else though. As a supervisor, it is your responsibility...your obligation to direct your young fella to Sick Parade if this becomes chronic. This is an advantage we have over some employers. My wife's work has someone who phones in atleast once a week and when her supervisor attempted to direct her to her Dr because she was 'concerned', the boss was slapped on the hand by the employee's union for 'singling out' an employee with a 'personal vendeta'. I almost s*** when my wife told me this and it was also when I realized that I wouldn't fit in very well in a union workplace!
(Sorry for wandering there!)

I agree, it's not a widespread problem...but I have seen at least a few units that follow this policy, and it's unnecessary in my opinion.  If the supervisors are doing their jobs, there should be no need to force everyone to drag their barking cough or explosive diarrhea into the MIR because most people can successfully diagnose a common cold or stomach bug without the aid of a medical degree.

As for your wife's workplace, once a week seems excessive.  My own union's collective agreement says that "Unless otherwise informed by the Employer", a statement from the employee that they were unable to perform their duties due to illness is sufficient to meet the requirements for sick leave.  I would think that after a few months of once-per-week absences, the employer would be within their rights to ask you to start producing medical certificates.

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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2012, 19:22:37 »
In any organization there are people who play the system, and mess things up for others.  In my time, I have seen:

* Folks who call in sick the day before and the day after annual leave;

* People who call in sick, forgetting about call display, so you can see that each time it's from the home of their previous evening's romantic conquest (and a different number each time);

* People nearing retirement in the public service who, in their last year, find a string of minor ailments to burn of the last of their sick leave before retirement;

* People posting on Facebook about how they're planning to take the next day off as sick leave so they can run errands, forgetting that they are friends with their boss;

* and many others.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2012, 05:10:52 »

* People posting on Facebook about how they're planning to take the next day off as sick leave so they can run errands, forgetting that they are friends with their boss;



I have had the 'priveledge' of catching someone in this one-mild satsifaction but the guy kept doing it and just stopped posting it. I actually went to a fella's apartment once and found him and a bunch of freinds having a couple wets. AJAG didn't want to touch it because I violated 'the employee's rights' by showing up at their apartment to see if they were 'really sick' (I didn't hide the fact that was my reason for going over). Unfortunately, this clown is still around doing joe-jobs and keeping supervisors busy (The incident I mentioned was in 2005)
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2012, 05:36:52 »
I have had the 'priveledge' of catching someone in this one-mild satsifaction but the guy kept doing it and just stopped posting it. I actually went to a fella's apartment once and found him and a bunch of freinds having a couple wets. AJAG didn't want to touch it because I violated 'the employee's rights' by showing up at their apartment to see if they were 'really sick' (I didn't hide the fact that was my reason for going over). Unfortunately, this clown is still around doing joe-jobs and keeping supervisors busy (The incident I mentioned was in 2005)

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How does that situation violate anyone's employee's rights?  If you genuinely thought that he was really sick, wouldn't it fall under "being a good supervisor" to see how he's doing?
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2012, 07:42:21 »
I gather that studies have shown that people coming to work sick and infecting other staff members cost corporations more than those few who abuse sick days.  In that case, it is better to advocate that the CoC apply the two days call-in sick lve where logical.

My former CO delegated to me the authority to grant the two days to the staff. One person chronically abused it - I tracked every sick day in Monitor Mass, and the patterns were very evident.  I talked to the B Surg about what could be done, as the complaints were nonspecific ('headache', 'flu', 'back pain') - the answer was 'not much - if he comes in with complaints that cannot be easily discounted'. In the end, the only way we found to curb the abuse, was to tell the member to go to the clinic every time he was sick, and due to his obvious medical issues we were very concerned for his health and safety, and we wanted him to book a Part I & II Medical to determine if a TCat or PCat was required. The abuse vanished after that.

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2012, 09:46:51 »
(Not sarcastic)

How does that situation violate anyone's employee's rights?  If you genuinely thought that he was really sick, wouldn't it fall under "being a good supervisor" to see how he's doing?

I had a similar experience and while you think you are doing good by looking out for the welfare of your troops, it can be considered as harassment of some form.  :-(
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2012, 09:56:11 »
I had a similar experience and while you think you are doing good by looking out for the welfare of your troops, it can be considered as harassment of some form.  :-(
Would it have anything to do with going to a privately-rented "apartment", as opposed to checking the shacks?
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 10:40:06 »
Would it have anything to do with going to a privately-rented "apartment", as opposed to checking the shacks?

Actually, the guy called in sick one day.  Then one of my MCpl's tells me he got a phone call and knows where Cpl X is.  I said, "he's at home sick".  The MCpl said "No, he is over at the Base sports field, drinking beer and watching the softball regionals".  So he went over to confirm the report but never confronted him, just came back to office and said, he's there alright.  Never had so many bite marks from higher ups on my behind in my life.....

In the end, I was told to NEVER do that one again.  Mind you, Cpl X was never allowed to call in sick again either.  But things went from bad to worse as he dropped off a sick chit the very next morning and guess where he went afterwards?  Yup, right back to the sports field.

So I informed my CoC of what had been reported to me.  They contacted the B Hosp/MO and then THEY ended up with bite marks on their behind.....LOL   Excused duty means just that and the member can pretty much do what they want.....  In-Credi-Bulllllllllll.......
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2012, 11:00:22 »
Actually, the guy called in sick one day.  Then one of my MCpl's tells me he got a phone call and knows where Cpl X is.  I said, "he's at home sick".  The MCpl said "No, he is over at the Base sports field, drinking beer and watching the softball regionals".  So he went over to confirm the report but never confronted him, just came back to office and said, he's there alright.  Never had so many bite marks from higher ups on my behind in my life.....

In the end, I was told to NEVER do that one again.  Mind you, Cpl X was never allowed to call in sick again either.  But things went from bad to worse as he dropped off a sick chit the very next morning and guess where he went afterwards?  Yup, right back to the sports field.

So I informed my CoC of what had been reported to me.  They contacted the B Hosp/MO and then THEY ended up with bite marks on their behind.....LOL   Excused duty means just that and the member can pretty much do what they want.....  In-Credi-Bulllllllllll.......
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2012, 12:44:26 »
Actually, the guy called in sick one day.  Then one of my MCpl's tells me he got a phone call and knows where Cpl X is.  I said, "he's at home sick".  The MCpl said "No, he is over at the Base sports field, drinking beer and watching the softball regionals".  So he went over to confirm the report but never confronted him, just came back to office and said, he's there alright.  Never had so many bite marks from higher ups on my behind in my life.....

In the end, I was told to NEVER do that one again.  Mind you, Cpl X was never allowed to call in sick again either.  But things went from bad to worse as he dropped off a sick chit the very next morning and guess where he went afterwards?  Yup, right back to the sports field.

So I informed my CoC of what had been reported to me.  They contacted the B Hosp/MO and then THEY ended up with bite marks on their behind.....LOL   Excused duty means just that and the member can pretty much do what they want.....  In-Credi-Bulllllllllll.......

Perhaps it's time to dust of QR&O 103.31:

103.31 – MALINGERING OR MAIMING
 
(1) Section 98 of the National Defence Act provides:
 
  "98. Every person who
 
  (a) malingers or feigns or produces disease or infirmity,
 
  (b) aggravates, or delays the cure of, disease or infirmity by misconduct or wilful disobedience of orders, or
 
   (c) wilfully mains or injures himself or any other person who is a member of any of Her Majesty’s Forces or of any forces cooperating therewith, whether at the instance of that person or not, with intent thereby to render himself or that other person unfit for service, or causes himself to be maimed or injured by any person with intent thereby to render himself unfit for service,
     
  is guilty of an offence and on conviction, if he commits the offence on active service or when under orders for active service or in respect of a person on active service or under orders for active service, is liable to imprisonment for life or to less punishment and, in any other case, is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to less punishment."


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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2012, 12:50:10 »
Perhaps it's time to dust of QR&O 103.31:

103.31 – MALINGERING OR MAIMING
 
(1) Section 98 of the National Defence Act provides:
 
  "98. Every person who
 
  (a) malingers or feigns or produces disease or infirmity,
 
  (b) aggravates, or delays the cure of, disease or infirmity by misconduct or wilful disobedience of orders, or
 
   (c) wilfully mains or injures himself or any other person who is a member of any of Her Majesty’s Forces or of any forces cooperating therewith, whether at the instance of that person or not, with intent thereby to render himself or that other person unfit for service, or causes himself to be maimed or injured by any person with intent thereby to render himself unfit for service,
     
  is guilty of an offence and on conviction, if he commits the offence on active service or when under orders for active service or in respect of a person on active service or under orders for active service, is liable to imprisonment for life or to less punishment and, in any other case, is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to less punishment."


Good in principal, however trying prove and more importantly get AJAG to sign off on that charge is very hard thing to do.
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2012, 13:26:19 »
Good in principal, however trying prove and more importantly get AJAG to sign off on that charge is very hard thing to do.

True, but in extreme cases of abuse (such as what DAA describes) it could be worth the effort.  Given those circumstances, I'd attempt it.
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2012, 13:59:27 »
I had a patient of mine get an arse reaming from his MWO via my Sgt one day after I gave him a day of excused duty for something, then promptly ran into him while I was doing a supply run in town...looking much less sick than previously and with a large Timmy's in hand.  I also refused to see the man again unless he came in with a traumatic amputation or cardiac arrest - others also took that up as well (it's called firing a patient - all above board and legal, since we couldn't trust him because of this and previous history).  Fact is, unless the person is given a chit of Sick in Quarters - bathroom and meal privileges only (used to do that with school students or RMC cadets to keep folks from bothering them for inspections but also to nip some weekend malingering in the bud), "Excused Duty" means just that...now as a supervisor, if you have someone setting a pattern of shyte like this, you can embugger them by insisting that they go to the MIR...a friendly chat with whoever the supervisor there is may have them stay a little longer than they should (triage level permitting of course) and likely a return to duty depending on what's wrong.  A pattern may also be a justification for administrative vs discplinary action as well - IC/RW etc - especially if there are witnesses to the incidents in question.  I know that alot of people haven't got the stomach to initiate a charge of malingering, but the admin action might stick. 

I used to get more abuse from patients when I wouldn't give them a day off for something that wouldn't keep me from going to work than I can shake a stick at - learned the hard way from dealing with people with acute or chronic snivellitis...and their bosses.

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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2012, 15:04:37 »
Two instances where some one called in sick when I was posted to Edmonton and was the acting Admin Sgt for the Sqn one of the young guys called in sick on Thursday morning he lived in the shack and had flue symptoms and it was going around so I told him to stay home. I went over latter that day checked on him and he was indeed sick.  The next day he phone with the same problem I almost let it go but I had other thoughts and said to go in and get checked as the MIR was just down the street. He complained that it wasn't that bad and that he really didn't want to go wait there just to get some meds I insisted and told him I would drive him if necessary. As it turned out I had stuff to do so I sent one of the other guys to do it.  He went over picked him up and took him to the MIR. It was a good thing as it turned out he had Meningitis and if he hadn't gone to the MIR he probable would have died on the weekend as it a three day one. So after that I never let any one call in sick if they couldn't get them selves in then I would send some one or I would get them my self. About 3 months after that one of the guys called and complained about having a pain in his stomach and right side. He thought he just over did it at the gym and wanted to just stay on the couch as it hurt to sit up for any legnth of time. He also told me he hadn't been feeling all that well for the lats couple of days. Thinking back to the last guy I had sick I told I would come and get him I brought him in to the MIR again good thing he had appendicitis and they were ready tro burst. So yeah as an  A/RSM I always tell my guys to go to the MIR or there personal doctors if they aren't feeling well.
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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2012, 15:32:38 »
Granting of up to 2 days sick leave is command decision, under the authority of the CO, which said CO may or may not choose to delegate to a level of their choosing.  The CO should define and promulgate this choice and the mechanism by which sick leave is to be granted within their unit.  It is very, very common for this to be delegated in such a manner that for most members, approval form their direct supervisor is often sufficient.  This happens both by design, and as often, by indulgence.

That said, the tracking and administration of this sick leave is a command responsibility, and one that is very important. 

I would caution supervisors: Don't be too quick to associate what you perceive as "abuse" of sick leave with malingering, laziness, conjunctive slack'n'idleness, or what have you.  (Yes, it happens - but it should never be the default assumption.) Keep track, watch for abuse, but also watch for patterns.  Always sick the monday after payday?  Always sick the day after they drop off their kids?  Always sick on the third Wednesday of the month?  Many is the person who has used one too many days of sick leave as a temporary (and ineffective) means of coping with alcoholism (theirs or someone elses;) gambling, family problems, depression, abuse, etc.  So keep records, and pass those records on to your successors.  And please, never think you are doing a subordinate a favour by "looking the other way"; the consequences of failing to address the myriad problems that manifest themselves in absenteeism can be catastrophically greater than tackling a problem head on.

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Re: Sick Days/Sick Leave/Calling in Sick.
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2012, 17:21:19 »
So keep records, and pass those records on to your successors.  /lecture off

There should be little if any requirement to keep a record on this.  If someone calls in sick and is given the day off by their supr (because such authority is delegated to them), then it is done under the "authority of the unit CO".  A CF 100 (Leave Pass) must be done (and NOT through Monitor Mass), and signed by the "CO" (or delegated authority) as authorizing the sick leave and then sent to your supporting Orderly Room to be processed through HRMS (PeopleSoft).

This is the way it is suppose to be tracked........not in someone's note book, nor Div Note, nor anything other means.

There was a message that came out sometime ago addressing this issue and the fact that it wasn't being tracked/recorded appropriately....

Point to ponder for supervisors.........  A subordinate calls in sick and you give them the day off.  Something unmentionable happens to them that day.  The first question will be "Why were they not at work?", followed by "Where is the leave pass for Sick Leave and who authorized this"?   <-----  Not a position that I would want to be in!
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