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MODS - since the last thread on this one is locked, I'm OK with either a merge of this into it, or a lock on this if there's concerns about the heat that could be generated.

Greeeeeeeeeeat - now they're making promotional videos and opening a recruiting office.....

This from CBC.ca, shared in accordance with the "fair dealing" provisions, Section 29, of the Copyright Act.
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A Quebec paramilitary group is raising concerns among fellow separatists.

The Patriotic Militia of Quebec says it is looking for people willing to lay down their lives in defence of the people of Quebec and plans to open a recruiting centre in downtown Montreal on Saturday.

Militia members train in the snow in a promotional video. Militia members train in the snow in a promotional video. (CBC)In a promotional video, members of the militia practise with bows and arrows and do push-ups in the snow. They also practise hand-to-hand combat and appear to be carrying high-powered rifles.

The group claims to have about 25 regular members and hopes to recruit another 150 within the next year. They say over the past decade about 2,000 people have signed up to join the group but most do not participate regularly.

Militia organizers say their training camp offers a real military experience for the price of $29.

Organizers insist the group is non-violent and say they sometimes show up to help with the response to natural disasters. But founder Serge Provost insists the group needs to be prepared to defend Quebec if it is attacked.

"If we want to defend our people, we have no choice but to use the same weapons as our aggressors," Provost said, adding the group has applied to Quebec provincial police for permission to build a firing range.

Some mainstream separatist groups, including the Saint-Jean Baptiste Society, are uneasy with the militia.

Society president Mario Beaulieu says the militia has to be very precise about its mandate.

"When you present yourself as defending the territory and people of Quebec from eventual attack, I think it would be important to specify your mission," Beaulieu said. "Who exactly determines what an attack is?"

Although Beaulieu sees the group as harmless, he said the society would never associate itself with any group promoting violence.

The group's site is here, and there's a bit more Army.ca discussion here.
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Just what we need, another Militia.
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Just what we need, another Militia.

a radical one ::)

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Time, perhaps for a declaration: From the Criminal Code:

Unlawful Drilling

Orders by Governor in Council

70. (1) The Governor in Council may, by proclamation, make orders

(a) to prohibit assemblies, without lawful authority, of persons for the purpose

(i) of training or drilling themselves,

(ii) of being trained or drilled to the use of arms, or

(iii) of practising military exercises; or

(b) to prohibit persons when assembled for any purpose from training or drilling themselves or from being trained or drilled.

General or special order

(2) An order that is made under subsection (1) may be general or may be made applicable to particular places, districts or assemblies to be specified in the order.

Punishment

(3) Every one who contravenes an order made under this section is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 70; 1992, c. 1, s. 60(F).


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The CF is responsible for defending Quebec and her citizens ( and the rest of Canada) from attack.  However, if you want to bring "bows and arrows" to a gunfight... ;D  Maybe they should look to the Legion of Frontiersmen for some natty ideas for uniforms, it will make it easier for the various govt agencies to keep tabs on them.

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Now this may fall under the column of either expensive, or constitutionally unlawful, but instead of letting these oddball groups run around in the bushes in Quebec, instead put them to work for a better purpose?
   After all, it wouldn’t be that hard to mandate into existence a “Provincial Defense Force” (similar in nature to the State Defense Forces of certain states of the Union), which would be used in both emergency situations and could also augment both law enforcement and military operations as per required.
   Besides, historically the defense of Colonial Canada was headed up by locally recruited militias, so why not continue on this noble tradition, by providing those that wish to defend their homes an outlet to do so, rather than letting them slip down the path to radicalization and eventually become a threat?

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Now this may fall under the column of either expensive, or constitutionally unlawful, but instead of letting these oddball groups run around in the bushes in Quebec, instead put them to work for a better purpose?
   After all, it wouldn’t be that hard to mandate into existence a “Provincial Defense Force” (similar in nature to the State Defense Forces of certain states of the Union), which would be used in both emergency situations and could also augment both law enforcement and military operations as per required.
   Besides, historically the defense of Colonial Canada was headed up by locally recruited militias, so why not continue on this noble tradition, by providing those that wish to defend their homes an outlet to do so, rather than letting them slip down the path to radicalization and eventually become a threat?

hUH?

What do you think the Regular Force and PRes do? 

OH!  I get it.  You want us to have similar organizations as the Mitchigin Moelitcha.   Right!
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Now this may fall under the column of either expensive, or constitutionally unlawful, but instead of letting these oddball groups run around in the bushes in Quebec, instead put them to work for a better purpose?
   After all, it wouldn’t be that hard to mandate into existence a “Provincial Defense Force” (similar in nature to the State Defense Forces of certain states of the Union), which would be used in both emergency situations and could also augment both law enforcement and military operations as per required.
   Besides, historically the defense of Colonial Canada was headed up by locally recruited militias, so why not continue on this noble tradition, by providing those that wish to defend their homes an outlet to do so, rather than letting them slip down the path to radicalization and eventually become a threat?

Many historians would argue that the notion of Canada being defended by the militia is more myth then fact.

As to your other point, I cant see the provinces having the funds to pay and run their own "National Gaurd" type of formation which is what it would take to organize a professional provincial type of defence.  Otherwise, they can join the CF as reservists in a local regiment if they really want to participate.

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I went to their website, and this is their take on the "FLQ"....highlights are my own.  (google translation)

I note that the RCMP have paid apparently paid this gentleman a visit, so he's on the "official" radar.

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Fake FLQ

Quebec is in turmoil.

Is this really an FLQ cell that is reborn? I think not!

Why, on the eve of provincial and federal elections, right 400th, a group of radicals would attempt on Quebec's national security and its allophone and anglophone community, when we know that political parties are still strong sovereigntists? One need only remember the fantastic shot in the slats that the Bloc has to administer the liberal parties of the two levels, with the sponsorship scandal, and how he mastered the House of Commons Canadian federal. You still want to use the fable of the degradation of the Civil Authority for the Canadian Imperial troops occupy the towns and villages in Quebec?

Anyone with a little savvy, knows very well that this is not the right time to lead an armed struggle!

Let us speak first of the three documents that were sent by the alleged cell Camille Laurin.

The first, which reminds us of the blah! blah! usual, is quite significant and very courteous in his intent. I quote: "There is no question of the FLQ to commit violent crimes. This time, the FLQ is going to hit "" where it hurts ". In their wallets ...)). Blah, blah, blah and blah, blah, in French too literary for militancy and has reacted very little media and community independence. Economic threats do not weigh heavily in current conditions.

The second document, more virulent, designates targets and gives dates and places of keystrokes. It bases its credibility on harassment that will result from the RCMP against separatist community. . How many emotions! Like many colleagues and countrymen, I received a visit from a senior RCMP officer, Eric Mallet team integrated the national security of Canada, led by Ottawa. The problem is that the police visit was followed by the two representatives of the tax: Lady Tatiana Pankratov Revenu Québec, and Mrs. Sylvie Dugré Revenue Canada. These people get along like a house afire, especially when it comes to intimidate someone who seems "dangerous" for the cause. I did not know that Revenue Quebec was in cahoots with the RCMP ...

Every night the police came to escort me home. Gently of course. I do not expect much and I am flattered to receive so much consideration of the "forces of order", which I saw myself trivial nor political clout and even less endowed with potential "terrorist." All in the same week. Wow! What subtlety from you!

 

The third she builds credibility in the auction on employees of Power Corporation, to cover them and make the deployment of security forces, throughout the province. TV and newspapers, great team. In passing, facing the international community offer you an image of persecution, Low-ti!. Full 400 th!.

Gentlemen, you truly believe that our loyalty to the people of Quebec are national independence, to play around as harassing as futile childhood and especially more dangerous for those who play only for their intended victims? I do not know you were so naive or half educated. You made our game Continue, we beseech Thee.

You believe that to peddle the three letters FLQ cons we can attract some attention deleterious put you in a position of political strength, so that your credibility is lost and will lose much more in the future. Federalism, hardly anyone lost faith, not only in Quebec but elsewhere in Canada. The fallacy of your means obvious but you're the only ones not realizing it.

A wise man once told me and I have been saying each time that the political story is of interest and the balance of power. A rigorous assessment and correct the situation required every time. The story resolves power relations and the effectiveness of measures taken, taking into account the principles that govern any major action. We now know and that knowledge makes us much less naive than we have been in the past. We know we are not a conquered people, far away and that any attempt to vassal us unconditionally and we submit is exposed to failure lecture from you.

The policy position of Quebec is becoming stronger, we francophone dominate the legislature, and because even our opponent, and we are aware. Even the federalists in Quebec know they will soon have no choice than to join because their position is untenable now. For us, the time unnecessary agitation is over. The time for action has arrived with scale, while you are reduced to expedients. You can see it now with this attempt on your part to create an artificial terrorism by creating a pseudo FLQ, which is long gone for us.

In 1837, Colborne overused the chari-varied and cause public disorder by loyalists in Montreal to accept the dismissal of the French judiciary, the judiciary steal a unilingual anglophone, and issue warrants of arrests against the Patriot the time. This allowed him to use the army to crush a public opinion which was not conducive to the population of Lower Canada at the time.

In 1970 with the help of RCMP, the Ottawa government has created fake FLQ cells to discredit the entire movement General of Quebec and cause regression of our overall progress towards becoming recognized state. Ottawa has failed. We did not know how we were dealing with the small world that thinks it's great world.

Since the departure for Afghanistan of the 5th Brigade of the Canadian Armed Forces, Quebec and francophone Quebec is left alone and helpless. You are aware that the Brigade is made up mostly of soldiers separatists. You so enjoy the situation to try to intimidate us and we impose the official English monolingualism in military installations without our soldiers across the province. The pseudo FLQ is a lame excuse to justify artificial Quebec cons of military intervention that would intimidate us for years to come? It's meanness, pettiness, malice, wickedness, arrogance and the spirit of grief. You behave with unspeakable cowardice.

And you want us to continue to live with you subservient to the same centralized unitary state. You take us for fools?

Two vehicle stamping police station, three letter alleged FLQ, a police car explodes in Sherbrooke, the burning armory in Quebec City, not counting your visits ups here and there, there are worrying signs that Quebecers will leave no indifferent.

 
We were naive enough to believe you honest. Now we know where we stand with you, who do we leave the choice to defend ourselves or systematically remain subservient to your authority infamous. Defend ourselves is a duty of each and Quebecers should be prepared. We've already accomplished a great task and we will continue.

Because of our mandate is to protect the people of Quebec, if a Quebecer is killed or even injured by any militant group for any reason, independence or not, we will be obliged to take all possible means prevent another aggression against the people. Nobody has the right to security of Quebecers lightly!

Provost Operations Commander Major territorial fixed.

The "rifle" in the third photo on their website home-page appears to me to be a paintball gun (styled to look like a C-7/M-16)

This is.....interesting....I understand this "manifesto" to be a derision of the official facts about the FLQ crisis, and saying that it's effectively been made-up by Ottawa as an excuse to move in the Army.

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Many historians would argue that the notion of Canada being defended by the militia is more myth then fact.

As to your other point, I cant see the provinces having the funds to pay and run their own "National Gaurd" type of formation which is what it would take to organize a professional provincial type of defence.  Otherwise, they can join the CF as reservists in a local regiment if they really want to participate.

When it comes to provincial finances, I’ll agree with you, that certain parts of the country such as Newfoundland, and Saskatchewan would have a hard time coming up with the funds, but then again if the provincial governments bothered to balance their budgets and cut out pet projects such “human rights courts” and other liberal inspired money pits, the funds would likely appear.

Also, with reference to the “Myth of Militia”, even if it is nothing more than an invention by the members of parliament to simply cut the defense budget, I still see it as being a good and noble myth, which we can all gather around, the fact that our all volunteer forefathers stood shoulder to shoulder ready to defend their homes.

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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2010, 05:55:38 »
hUH?

What do you think the Regular Force and PRes do? 

OH!  I get it.  You want us to have similar organizations as the Mitchigin Moelitcha.   Right!

I’ll ignore the slight, and inform you on the subject of State Defense Forces:

The Dick Act of 1903 formally established the National Guard as the militia of the United States, thereby creating the dual mission (federal and state) that we see today. Unfortunately, no provision was made for a state to organize a force to accomplish those state missions should the National Guard be federalized or otherwise unavailable to the Governor.
The National Defense Act of 1916, initially provided statutory authority for the various states to organize a force, in addition to its National Guard, but only when the National Guard is federalized. Twenty-nine states would form such a force, with a combined strength of 79,000 men and women, before this provision of law was repealed following World War I.
In 1940, Congress again passed enabling legislation allowing the states to organize 'State Guard' units. This provision was repealed in July, 1947.
Permanent Federal statutory authority was enacted in 1954, and codified in 1956, to provide for a State Defense force. This law contains several significant provisions, to include (a) allowing states or territories to organize and maintain defense forces in addition to its National Guard, if any, and (b) that in time of peace, a state may maintain no troops other than its National Guard and State Defense Forces.
Currently, twenty-six states, plus the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, have an active State Defense Force. More states are giving this approach serious consideration.


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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2010, 07:08:46 »
.... put them to work for a better purpose?
Has a critical shortfall been identified, and is this the best solution in terms of finance and organization to ameliorate the problem?

Or is recognizing "25 people, many of whom aren't active" (which suggests there may be 3 or 4) as a legitimate tool of government merely giving credibility to Walter de la Mitty...er, Major Serge Prevost.





If you do wish to fund a self-proclaimed, but not otherwise identified, "need"....I have one or two that involve the Brazilian Women's Beach Volleyball team.   ;D
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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2010, 08:30:56 »
This is never gonna work. Major Walt Prevost need to visit the LoF to get some better uniform ideas - this one looks like he aims to be a well dressed paramedic, not a 'national savior.'

Now one might suggest that this new milice could merge with the L0F, forming a new, distinct society sort of branch available only in la belle province, but I caution against this. There are, Major Walt Pervost, far, far too many Belgians in the LoF. We know, from no less a trusted military source than the French Foreign legion that they, Les Belges are slackers:

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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2010, 11:35:28 »
- this one looks like he aims to be a well dressed paramedic, not a 'national savior.'

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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2010, 13:34:35 »
He does look a little unmilitary and more like a firefighter or paramedic. Or just a big wannabe LOL.

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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2010, 13:41:45 »
He does look a little unmilitary and more like a firefighter or paramedic. Or just a big wannabe LOL.

Is that the way paramedics dress in the rest of Canada? We wear navy blue work shirts ( hides the blood ), no tie and no beret:
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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2010, 13:43:48 »
Its not really that funny; far too many dangerous organizations have been started by persons who failed their attempt at being a soldier or policeman (or were kicked out), and got their revenge by starting their own organizations (only for the public good, and with themselves in the driver seat of course).   

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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2010, 13:46:31 »
I have seen paramedics in white shirts. Mind you not with a tie. Also most likely on tv too LOL. Not trying to upset ya MM just pointing out he looks silly.

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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2010, 13:59:25 »
... Not trying to upset ya MM just pointing out he looks silly.


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No offence intended, MM, paramedics, with whom, thankfully, I have had no dealings for a decade or so just came to mind because I thought they did wear white shirts. My apologies, in any event.
 

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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2010, 14:11:54 »
I have seen paramedics in white shirts. Mind you not with a tie. Also most likely on tv too LOL. Not trying to upset ya MM just pointing out he looks silly.

Not at all, Sledge!  :)
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Sledge, we actually did wear white medical tops on operations in Toronto in the early 1970's. After that, the community college students continued to train in them:
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We called them "Ben Casey" shiirts:
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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2010, 14:38:34 »
Well that is good. Mind you the last time I dealt with paramedics at my house, some wore cadpat. I am in Victoria and some SAR tech trainees do their training here.     :piper:

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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2010, 15:08:12 »
..........and another one turns into an EMS thread  ::)

Can we go back to Quebec nutjobs ?

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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2010, 15:26:02 »
But paramedics are so cute in their BLUE shirts. hehehehehe

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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2010, 16:04:16 »
Many historians would argue that the notion of Canada being defended by the militia is more myth then fact.

That would be Granatstein.  He is, of course, wrong.  I suspect that the first war fought with primarily regular army soldiers is the current one.  The rest were fought by militia or newly recruited soldiers.
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Re: "Hardline Québecois paramilitary group looks for recruits in Montreal"
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2010, 16:20:55 »
That would be Granatstein.  He is, of course, wrong.  I suspect that the first war fought with primarily regular army soldiers is the current one.  The rest were fought by militia or newly recruited soldiers.


No, he's right, actually. The militia myth is just that. Neither the First nor Second World Wars had much militia content beyond the initial mobilization of the 1st Canadian Division. Once 1st Div was in England, in 1940-42, a massive 'weeding out' of old, overweight, under-qualified militiamen was undertaken. The RCAF and RCN relied even less on their 'reserves.'

You are right that 'newly recruited' people - often referred to as "duration of hostilities only" people, because of their term of enlistment - fought most of our biggest wars.

The militia did fight the Riel Rebellion (or whatever we call it now).
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