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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2010, 14:14:05 »
I am going to take a very much wait and see approach on this. A motion in parliament such as this doesn't have a lot of weight behind it and given that the Naval Board comments, it certainly doesn't seem to be a priority of the adults in the Navy.

The comment that intrigued me was that the 'man who would be king' while attending  a ceremony he was at in Canada, questioned the CDS or the minister why his Canadian Naval uniform did not have the curl. Apparently the CDS and MND are the ones who have pushed for this to occur after being asked about it by Charles. I heard that there is to be an announcement in May. All rumours of course but fun to share.  ;)

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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2010, 18:32:26 »
Is there some specific reason the Minister and CDS can't make it so on their own authorities?
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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2010, 18:42:15 »
Is there some specific reason the Minister and CDS can't make it so on their own authorities?

Well, firstly:

All rumours of course but fun to share.  ;)

And think of how long a thread we'd have here if the Minister and the CDS simply decided one day to order the Navy to start wearing the curl "because the Prince wanted it".

It would be an orgy of online rhetoric from the Naval protectionists, the ant-Monarchists and the "first, let's kill all the politicos" in their race to be the best at butchering the Queen's English over the affront it would have been to each of them personally.
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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2010, 18:47:14 »
And think of how long a thread we'd have here if the Minister and the CDS simply decided one day to order the Navy to start wearing the curl "because the Prince wanted it".

It would be an orgy of online rhetoric from the Naval protectionists, the ant-Monarchists and the "first, let's kill all the politicos" in their race to be the best at butchering the Queen's English over the affront it would have been to each of them personally.

Too true!  :) :) :)

However, is there any regulatory limit?
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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2010, 20:31:19 »
Too true!  :) :) :)

However, is there any regulatory limit?

QR&Os have an idea.

17.01 – UNIFORMS

Members of the Canadian Forces shall wear the uniforms prescribed by the Chief of the Defence Staff.
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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2010, 13:40:57 »
Slowly undoing the poison's of the Trudeau era. Looking forward to it becoming official.

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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2010, 13:44:23 »
Slowly undoing the poison's of the Trudeau era. Looking forward to it becoming official.

I remember not too fondly the "Trudeau era" The decade of darkness was in reality about two decades.
Sorry, got off topic.

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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2010, 13:48:08 »
Slowly undoing the poison's of the Trudeau era. Looking forward to it becoming official.

I guess this will be next, then...

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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2010, 14:21:05 »
There will be no difference between Reg and Res.
Also, scuttlebutt says that the Admiral was dead against it but that he was overrode by the Minister and CDS.

I personally can't think of any reason why the Admiral (or anyone else, for that matter) would be against it, unless it was based on $ or convenience reasons (ie. Mia trying to get all west coast Naval Officers to get it done at once.)  Were there any reasons put forward why the senior leadership would be against it?  It's not like they're trying to change the entire uniform.
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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2010, 14:57:29 »
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Slowly undoing the poison's of the Trudeau era. Looking forward to it becoming official.
Sorry ...you can blame PET for a lot including ushering in the decades of darkness...but the "distinctive" green uniform and approach to a single set of rank badges etc... to it came with Lester Pearson and the architect/designer of the green was the CDS at the time...JV Allard...

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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2010, 15:03:47 »
Sorry ...you can blame PET for a lot including ushering in the decades of darkness...but the "distinctive" green uniform and approach to a single set of rank badges etc... to it came with Lester Pearson and the architect/designer of the green was the CDS at the time...JV Allard...

Very true! (especially the bit about blaming PET a lot >:D )
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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2010, 15:15:23 »
I hope this may  indicate an eventual return to the pip-system for Army officers, and a less-visually-repulsive system for our Air Force officers (aka, the blue-on-blue of our commonwealth contemporaries/historic uniforms).

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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2010, 15:27:04 »
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I hope this may  indicate an eventual return to the pip-system for Army officers, and a less-visually-repulsive system for our Air Force officers (aka, the blue-on-blue of our commonwealth contemporaries/historic uniforms).

I think it is a good idea for the navy.   It doesnt change a thing but the pip system, it's an other story.  I'm in for 24 years and never saw that here.   Aldo, I know the system.  The actual rank system his good.  Dont change it.
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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2010, 16:09:03 »
Sorry ...you can blame PET for a lot including ushering in the decades of darkness...but the "distinctive" green uniform and approach to a single set of rank badges etc... to it came with Lester Pearson and the architect/designer of the green was the CDS at the time...JV Allard...

The green uniform was actually introduced to the public circa 1966, which was before JV Allard becoming CDS. The actual architect is lost in the mists of time, but it probably originated in one of Paul Hellyer's circle of toadies advisers. It was a logical extension of the amendment to the NDA which came into effect at the end of February 1968 and grouped us all into a single service. Thus, it was planned before the act was passed and promulgated. Edit to add: Allard became CDS in mid-1966, but I still maintain the single service uniform had been unveiled before then. Could he have changed the decision to go for a single uniform? Probably not, even if he had wanted to. I still maintain it was a political decision.

Allard, who was a large officer, embraced it and appeared in a CF green dress uniform at one of the last ceremonial parades herld by 4 CMBG in North Germany before the move to Lahr and Baden. Suffice to say, he looked like a pale version of Idi Amin, or maybe a Franco Herman Goering. If that does not give you an indication of what I thought about the whole bloody thing, you have not been paying attention.
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Re: Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2010, 07:39:22 »
I hope this may  indicate an eventual return to the pip-system for Army officers, and a less-visually-repulsive system for our Air Force officers (aka, the blue-on-blue of our commonwealth contemporaries/historic uniforms).

Would be great for our friends in the "R"CAF. Why stop there. Even under unification, we in the Navy managed to re-introduce our rank system as it quickly became clear that the "army" ones didn't work for us: A ship with seven Captains!!! That was worse than a Captain with seven children!!! So why not relieve the air force of the lieutenants, captains, majors and so forth to give them back their Flying Officers, Squadron Leaders and Group Captains ? If the Navy could do it under unification (and it was official in the CFAO's) the Air Force could get it done even now without any Act of Parliament.