Author Topic: Inmate contests excution on grounds that he is too fat. (Read 3588 times)

Inky · « **on:** August 04, 2008, 23:10:51 »

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080804/world/death_penalty_cooey

MedTech · « **Reply #1 on:** August 05, 2008, 05:19:19 »

One round to the head.

recceguy · « **Reply #2 on:** August 05, 2008, 09:40:49 »

Do we have to go through the litany of expediant solutions everytime someone or something like this comes up? If you can't provide a reasoned discussion, for altenative methods, without resorting to your 'kneel and face the ditch' comments, stay away from the keyboard. Every time one of the members posts something like this, it becomes fodder for the knee jerk reactionists that visit the site to find fault with soldiers. You only help confirm their perception that we are all nothing but a bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals.
We expect more from our members.

Milnet.Ca Staff

drunknsubmrnr · « **Reply #3 on:** August 05, 2008, 09:54:30 »

Apparently up until 2001 electrocution was also allowed. Maybe they could bring it back.

http://www.drc.state.oh.us/Public/capital.htm

Sheerin · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2008, 10:02:33 »

It's just his lawyer doing what he is supposed to do, looking for an trying any avenue that may prevent his client from being executed. It's an interesting argument, to say the least.

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #5 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:03:41 »

Quote from: Sheerin on August 05, 2008, 10:02:33

It's just his lawyer doing what he is supposed to do,

Its an interesting argument for sure and i am curious to see what the long term implications of this will be (beyond the obesity rate on death row increasing exponetialy of course). It begs to question if the state cannot execute someone sentenced to death using the only legal method, what do you do ?

uncle-midget-Oddball · « **Reply #6 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:06:56 »

The question I have is how did he get so fat eating death row food?

Midget

Snafu-Bar · « **Reply #7 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:07:20 »

Do what needs to be done, end the life of the convict.

One way or another the death penalty is to be carried out, if you can't inject him, fry him or hang him then just shoot him and be done with it.

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:09:36 »

Quote from: Snafu-Bar on August 05, 2008, 11:07:20

One way or another the death penalty is to be carried out, if you can't inject him, fry him or hang him then just shoot him and be done with it.

Maybe you missed the "legal method" part of my post.........

Technoviking · « **Reply #9 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:16:02 »

All I know is this. If I were on Death Row, I would use my hair colour, height, religion, shoe size, WHATEVER to stall my impending doom.

Snafu-Bar · « **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:17:58 »

Did the criminal follow the laws? Why should he get treated better than the victims? Why should taxpayers continue to feed these bastards?

Bullets are cheap and plentifull, time to start using them to correct the "legally dysfunctional system"

recceguy · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:19:27 »

Quote from: Snafu-Bar on August 05, 2008, 11:17:58

Did the criminal follow the laws? Why should he get treated better than the victims? Why should taxpayers continue to feed these bastards?

Bullets are cheap and plentifull, time to start using them to correct the "legally dysfunctional system"

Pull in your neck there Rambo. Read what I said above. If you have a REASONED argument to change the system, put it forward.

Milnet.Ca Staff

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #12 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:21:29 »

Quote from: Snafu-Bar on August 05, 2008, 11:17:58

Did the criminal follow the laws? Why should he get treated better than the victims? Why should taxpayers continue to feed these bastards?

Bullets are cheap and plentifull, time to start using them to correct the "legally dysfunctional system"

We cant punish someone for breaking the law by breaking it ourselves.

35 of the 36 states that allow the death penalty permit only lethal injection.

Thats the law, have a great day.

Snafu-Bar · « **Reply #13 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:44:39 »

Quote from: CDN Aviator on August 05, 2008, 11:21:29

We cant punish someone for breaking the law by breaking it ourselves.

35 of the 36 states that allow the death penalty permit only lethal injection.

Thats the law, have a great day.

Exactly my point, we handcuff ourselves to the fact that we abide by laws and the criminals do not. Why is that they can do stuff beyond the laws then be coddled and held like babies while innocent people are taken advantage of for being law abiding citizens? The system is broken badly and needs a major overhaul to correct it's dysfunction and political correctness.

The entire system is set up to allow for criminials to take advantage of others. Rehabilitational Justice does nothing in the way of helping victims, all it does is waste tax dollars and fresh air.

A link to the creator of the current shame of a justice system and it's hand holding mentality.
http://alterwords.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/agnes-mcphail-prison-reform/

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #14 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:49:11 »

You win Rambo...........

Ex-Dragoon · « **Reply #15 on:** August 05, 2008, 12:06:27 »

And when terrorists and the like conduct atrocities against civillians we get rightfully morally outraged. If we start executing people as you advocate, then we are no better then them. So what will your name be Omar or Osama?

Rodahn · « **Reply #16 on:** August 05, 2008, 12:18:54 »

Quote from: Snafu-Bar on August 05, 2008, 11:17:58

Did the criminal follow the laws? Why should he get treated better than the victims? Why should taxpayers continue to feed these bastards?

Bullets are cheap and plentifull, time to start using them to correct the "legally dysfunctional system"

My sole question to you is "Who decides?"

Inky · « **Reply #17 on:** August 05, 2008, 13:39:16 »

Listen to me Snafu-bar,
When a member of my own family was killed by a mugger a few years back I was pissed, I wanted the guy dead, in fact I wanted him to die in the most atrocious way and I did say some pretty stupid things at the time.

I understood in time that getting even is never the solution. It only brings on more hate. Revenge doesn't solve anything. The penal system's job isn't to exact revenge, it is to render justice. It might feel unfair but in time I understood that this is the best we can do. We can lock em' up but certainly nnot become criminals ourselves by stooping to their level. We're better, infinitely better than these criminals.

2 Cdo · « **Reply #18 on:** August 05, 2008, 13:54:51 »

Quote from: The incongruous on August 05, 2008, 13:39:16

Listen to me Snafu-bar,
When a member of my own family was killed by a mugger a few years back I was pissed, I wanted the guy dead, in fact I wanted him to die in the most atrocious way and I did say some pretty stupid things at the time.

I understood in time that getting even is never the solution. It only brings on more hate. Revenge doesn't solve anything. The penal system's job isn't to exact revenge, it is to render justice. It might feel unfair but in time I understood that this is the best we can do. We can lock em' up but certainly nnot become criminals ourselves by stooping to their level. We're better, infinitely better than these criminals.

You're a better man than I. If someone killed a member of my family I would want him dead, deader, deadest. Full stop. As an aside, our penal system is broke and needs fixing. Far too much emphasis on criminals rights versus victims rights. You can argue about the death penalty till the cows come home but one point you can't argue is a criminal sentenced to death and executed can NEVER re-offend.

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #19 on:** August 05, 2008, 14:02:49 »

Quote from: 2 Cdo on August 05, 2008, 13:54:51

As an aside, our penal system is broke and needs fixing.

Absolutely true, IMHO

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Far too much emphasis on criminals rights versus victims rights.

Again, i couldnt agree more.

However, the answer to punishing offenders is not to ourselves break the law to do so. It only serves to make us one of "them".

Snafu-Bar · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2008, 14:33:07 »

My opinion is that society as whole is together in making life better for everyone, but when some people choose not to be a part of the whole, there is no justification in having these people rotting in a cell sucking up resources that could be put to better use.
Food could be given to children who don't have any, beds given to people who don't have one. Instead we treat these scumbags like fkn celebtrities and keep them around for others to write books about or make movies so they can make themselves feel good or shed some light on the background, or just simply rehash the bad events and make people remember things.

Again this is just my perspective on our less than functional justice system and the laws governing them.

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2008, 14:43:00 »

Quote from: Snafu-Bar on August 05, 2008, 14:33:07

Again this is just my perspective on our less than functional justice system and the laws governing them.

Beleive me, i agree that our system is deeply flawed but, that does not make it right to break the law in order to punish an offender. That is where your position stops being rational.

Snafu-Bar · « **Reply #22 on:** August 05, 2008, 15:05:36 »

Law is flawwed, needs revision to ammend for loophole in system allowing garbage to have rights before the victims. That better?

2 Cdo · « **Reply #23 on:** August 06, 2008, 10:56:39 »

Quote from: CDN Aviator on August 05, 2008, 14:02:49

Absolutely true, IMHO

Again, i couldnt agree more.

However, the answer to punishing offenders is not to ourselves break the law to do so. It only serves to make us one of "them".

I don't advocate breaking any laws but I am a firm believer in changing laws that don't work. Life in prison in Canada means maybe 10-12 years for most. It is a rare life sentence that actually means life. The death penalty may not be a deterrent, and some surveys show Canadians would support the return of the death penalty, but anyone actually executed would have a 0% chance of re-offending.

CDN Aviator · « **Reply #24 on:** August 06, 2008, 12:27:32 »

Quote from: 2 Cdo on August 06, 2008, 10:56:39

I don't advocate breaking any laws but I am a firm believer in changing laws that don't work.

Same here.

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