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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2006, 14:40:04 »

Not to make matters worse, but perhaps you should sit down with your wife (and this is for all spouses) and talk over some of the rules you have for talking to the press.  You are briefed at work at what you should or should not say to the press and how to deal with them, but your spouse is not.  That doesn't help the situation much does it, and leaves your spouse in an awkward situation at times.

Agreed...I wish someone had been around to advise the girlfriend of the guy from Thunder Bay before the Press got a hold of her. They basically descended on her and got her raw first reactions before she had time to do a think about things....IMHO. It was terribly insensitive of them and I think she made some comments that did a bit of damage to his honour. The media are vultures for the most part. >:(

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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2006, 16:31:22 »
My opinion still stands...the media were able to turn the success of this operation into a defeat.

I'm just glad they weren't like this during World War II.
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2006, 17:24:07 »
Well,  next time I see a news report showing a person who has been ambushed by the media because of some sad thing,  I'll fire off a nasty e-mail to the producer.  I think that if more than than people start writing those types of e-mails tactics will change.   Am I wrong?
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2006, 18:56:31 »
Though I'm fully expecting to get piled on here --

I'm a TV reporter [see the profile for details]. Just as I wouldn't presume that one CF member's behaviours and attitudes are typical of all CF members, I trust you'll recognize that all journalists behave and act in different ways. Here's my story.

I was assigned to Petawawa yesterday.

I left Ottawa at 11 am.  At that time, the base in Kandahar is under lockdown.  All my colleague there could tell us before his communications were disconnected was that it was "big". As he is forbidden to provide any other details, we put two and two together at this end and assume 'big' means that some CF members may have been hurt or killed. As we know that the casualties would likely come from Petawawa or Shio, my network dispatched reporters to both bases.

I arrived at Petawawa shortly after 1 pm. My crew and I parked outside the main gate of the base. I immediately telephoned the base's public affairs officer, identified myself and explained my purpose. I requested that, if, in fact, we should learn that any deceased were based in Petawawa, some reflection or commentary from the base commander or chaplain would be a big help. I made no requests to speak to a family member -- nor would I for the rest of the day. My attitude is: If a family member wishes to speak to us, they know where to find us or the base PR certainly knows where we are.

Shortly after I arrived the media lockdown was lifted and DND issued a release to say that four CF members had died. But DND was not yet releasing names or units of the deceased. So, on the assumption that they could all be from Shilo just as easily as they could all be from Petawawa, we stayed put at the front gate. DND, as many in this forum will be aware, does not release names and units until the family of the deceased says they should.

Around 4 pm, DND officially released the names of MELLISH and NOLAN.

At that point, I and a cameraman proceeded to the Military Family Resources Centre. There, I went in alone and spoke to the centre's manager, Frances Priest. I introduced myself to her, told her the purpose of my visit, and asked if she would agree to talk to us to  describe the kind of day it had been on the base. I explained to her the context in which her remarks would be presented in my news item. She first consulted with base command and agreed to be interviewed. She asked that I not ask her about certain subjects and I agreed.  Not until she had agreed to be interviewed did I invite my cameraman into the facililty. In fact, he and our gear stayed in our unmarked vehicle for the 20 minutes or so it took until Frances could receive the all-clear to do this interview.

As soon as the interview was completed, I received a call from base public affairs that the rear party CO of the RCR would make himself available for media questions and that I would be called when the commander was available. So, as we were finished with, my cameraman and I promptly returned to the front gate to wait for further instructions from base PR. An hour or so later, base PR telephoned us to invite us back on to the base and accompanied us to a briefing room where Major Peter Scott delivered a statement and answered a few questions.

THe link to the results of this day is here: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060902/nato_casualties_060903/20060903?hub=CTVNewsAt11 [look on the right-hand side under video and click on 'David Akin reports from CFB Petawawa']

I'm pretty confident that the base public affairs officer (Capt. Spurr), Major Scott, and Ms. Priest would agree that I and my crew conducted ourselves in a professional respectful manner. 'Course, no one lights up a bulletin board when reporters do their jobs that way, do they?  ;) And, it's my observation, that the vast majority of my colleagues in the Parliamentary Press Gallery would conduct themselves in a similar manner.

Ok, -- pile on ...

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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2006, 19:01:45 »
Though I'm fully expecting to get piled on here --

I'm a TV reporter ...

Not by me.  I'm anything but a fan of journalists but I recognize that you have a job to do, even if it is just filling in the white spaces between the adverts.

I think you did things the right way.  Maybe a few of your friends colleagues will copy that down and make it SOP.
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2006, 19:02:28 »
Well David

I don't see anything there to pile on.  If only all were conducting themselves with the same high standards and ethics.
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2006, 19:05:47 »
Though I'm fully expecting to get piled on here --

I'm a TV reporter [see the profile for details]. Just as I wouldn't presume that one CF member's behaviours and attitudes are typical of all CF members, I trust you'll recognize that all journalists behave and act in different ways. Here's my story.

I was assigned to Petawawa yesterday.

I left Ottawa at 11 am.  At that time, the base in Kandahar is under lockdown.  All my colleague there could tell us before his communications were disconnected was that it was "big". As he is forbidden to provide any other details, we put two and two together at this end and assume 'big' means that some CF members may have been hurt or killed. As we know that the casualties would likely come from Petawawa or Shio, my network dispatched reporters to both bases.

I arrived at Petawawa shortly after 1 pm. My crew and I parked outside the main gate of the base. I immediately telephoned the base's public affairs officer, identified myself and explained my purpose. I requested that, if, in fact, we should learn that any deceased were based in Petawawa, some reflection or commentary from the base commander or chaplain would be a big help. I made no requests to speak to a family member -- nor would I for the rest of the day. My attitude is: If a family member wishes to speak to us, they know where to find us or the base PR certainly knows where we are.

Shortly after I arrived the media lockdown was lifted and DND issued a release to say that four CF members had died. But DND was not yet releasing names or units of the deceased. So, on the assumption that they could all be from Shilo just as easily as they could all be from Petawawa, we stayed put at the front gate. DND, as many in this forum will be aware, does not release names and units until the family of the deceased says they should.

Around 4 pm, DND officially released the names of MELLISH and NOLAN.

At that point, I and a cameraman proceeded to the Military Family Resources Centre. There, I went in alone and spoke to the centre's manager, Frances Priest. I introduced myself to her, told her the purpose of my visit, and asked if she would agree to talk to us to  describe the kind of day it had been on the base. I explained to her the context in which her remarks would be presented in my news item. She first consulted with base command and agreed to be interviewed. She asked that I not ask her about certain subjects and I agreed.  Not until she had agreed to be interviewed did I invite my cameraman into the facililty. In fact, he and our gear stayed in our unmarked vehicle for the 20 minutes or so it took until Frances could receive the all-clear to do this interview.

As soon as the interview was completed, I received a call from base public affairs that the rear party CO of the RCR would make himself available for media questions and that I would be called when the commander was available. So, as we were finished with, my cameraman and I promptly returned to the front gate to wait for further instructions from base PR. An hour or so later, base PR telephoned us to invite us back on to the base and accompanied us to a briefing room where Major Peter Scott delivered a statement and answered a few questions.

THe link to the results of this day is here: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060902/nato_casualties_060903/20060903?hub=CTVNewsAt11 [look on the right-hand side under video and click on 'David Akin reports from CFB Petawawa']

I'm pretty confident that the base public affairs officer (Capt. Spurr), Major Scott, and Ms. Priest would agree that I and my crew conducted ourselves in a professional respectful manner. 'Course, no one lights up a bulletin board when reporters do their jobs that way, do they?  ;) And, it's my observation, that the vast majority of my colleagues in the Parliamentary Press Gallery would conduct themselves in a similar manner.

Ok, -- pile on ...

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Sounds like you did your job with respect and compassion. what I can't stand is when microphones are shoved in the faces of people who have just received bad news and they are asked "how do you feel?" Or political questions about whether they think the mission is "worth it."
People who have just received bad news and are in the anger or denial phase of grieving are going to say things they might regret saying later once they've had some time to collect themselves.
I think all we're asking for is respect and dignity....it sounds like you did that yesterday....thanks  :cdn:

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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2006, 19:07:43 »
Why pile on? You are a professional, you performed your job in a professional manner, and to boot, you are man enough to come on here and state so. Good on you, and  thank you.

I don't think anyone here has a problem with good sensitive reporting. We may not agree with the subject sometimes, but that's allowed.
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2006, 19:12:48 »
Mr Akin,

Good on you for coming openly to this site and describing your methods and (by to an extent) your motivation.  None could take offence at your actions that day.
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2006, 19:14:58 »
You sure you should put that in print, dude? Won't you get in trouble with your union or something? I mean, showing respect, following rules, being professional...

Well done. How come so many of your counterparts can't seem to grasp any of that?

Well done on being forthright. You're quite the rarity. We've had several come on here without the balls to state their occupation. Many simply lurk, hoping to get something they can use in a headline. Others actively fish for info in a deceitful manner.
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2006, 19:20:40 »
David,

Welcome to Army.ca! I hope you can use this site constructively...

I won't waste any bandwidth repeating what the others have said as I agree with them all.

Cheers, hope you enjoy the site and continue to contribute positively.
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2006, 19:22:21 »

Around 4 pm, DND officially released the names of Warrant Officer MELLISH and Warrant Officer NOLAN.


I assume you mistakenly forgot their ranks, which certainly would have been more appropriate IMHO, so as a friendly gesture, I added that into a the quote.

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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2006, 19:32:52 »
David - welcome, from a previous life ;) 

Just curious about how much you can say re: material posted to news sites where you work and editing - is it like print, where you submit, an editor at some point makes the final decision re:  what gets posted (for length), or do you generally get everything you print up?  In the past, I've seen situations where a reporter may have included information in his/her version that provides another side of the story, but doesn't end up online.

Looking forward to some education & discussion from someone in the biz willing to share...
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2006, 19:36:48 »
From a different perspective, I can relate this - a local news channel came out to film a piece on my family. They had my wife, daughter and I answer questions (separately) on-camera. They filmed well over an hour. The piece that ended up on TV was 1:15 ( one minute and 15 seconds)

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« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2006, 19:41:04 »

Mud recce Man - You realize of course, that all of your future posts are fair game, for people to "edit", if they feel that you have made an oversight. Turnabout is air play....

For sure.  It was meant as a...hint?  I am assuming you don't think I was necessarily wrong, and I had thought I wasn't out of my lane or rude in the way I put it, given the title of this thread. 

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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2006, 19:48:27 »
For sure.  It was meant as a...hint?  I am assuming you don't think I was necessarily wrong, and I had thought I wasn't out of my lane or rude in the way I put it, given the title of this thread. 

MRM

It would depend on how much one reads.  This is the second such case you have made for yourself today.
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2006, 19:50:59 »
Don't bother questioning.....Yes!  We do know how to count.   ;D
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2006, 20:16:07 »
David you conducted yourself properly, not everyone does.  We get some people from the media who come on here like yourself who identify yourselves and ask questions.  That is welcome.  What we don't welcome are people from the media who come on and Do Not identify themselves as such.  Then ask questions.  Then publish the answers.  We don't like being ambushed is all.

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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2006, 20:50:20 »
Just curious about how much you can say re: material posted to news sites where you work and editing - is it like print, where you submit, an editor at some point makes the final decision re:  what gets posted (for length), or do you generally get everything you print up?  In the past, I've seen situations where a reporter may have included information in his/her version that provides another side of the story, but doesn't end up online.

Hey Tony --

Anything published or broadcast under the any the imprint of any of the journalism brands I've worked for has likely been reviewed and vetted by several people -- reporters, producers, directors and editors. And I generally prefer that if it's got my name on it, it's got all the stuff in it that we all agreed should be in it.
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2006, 21:16:47 »
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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2006, 21:18:20 »
David Adkin,

Thank you for the time and trouble you have given us - providing information you did not have to provide.  I think we all appreceate the professional way you have handled your duties.

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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2006, 21:41:54 »
David,

Thanks for sharing your experiences here. I think the media and the CF have a long road ahead and allowing us to understand your job a little more is very helpful. I watched your piece with great interest when it originally aired (was that just yesterday?) and I'm glad to know that "no families were harmed in the making" so to speak.

I believe the more we understand each others vocation, motivation and tactics, the better off we'll all be. The friends and families of our soldiers will be better represented and less hesitant to comment, which means more accurate and "personalized" reporting.


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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2006, 23:23:36 »
David you have my respect. Thank you for giving me some insight into your world.

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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2006, 00:28:49 »
David:

I respect what you did, and how you did it.   

I've added you to my (admittedly short) list of journalists for whom I have respect - I don't always agree with them, or what they write, but I appreciate their respectful approach to the subjects they cover.

My opinion was swayed by your open and honest participation here - that took some cojones - we're not always a forgiving crowd.

Keep doing what you're doing, the way you've done it so far - even when I disagree with you, I'll support the need for the respectful coverage you bring.

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Re: Media respect for the fallen & thier families
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2006, 08:44:04 »
David, I think you have just managed to score yourself many new 'contacts' within the CF.  I too have to add my applause to your professional manner and am now eager to see what more you can 'bring to the table' here at Army.ca.  It's almost as if we have made a new friend today.
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