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Court Martial Transcripts
« on: June 11, 2005, 01:00:03 »
I remember there was a location on the din or the jag website where you could look at the court martial transcripts. Would anyone have the link, I had it for the longest time and Ive lost it.

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2005, 01:05:03 »
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2005, 01:30:40 »
I think it is a closed site - I can get on the transcripts at work - but not at home -- I think it is DIN only (or I am dumb and cant find it tonight)
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2005, 11:59:35 »
I double checked at work - I found it here.

I will get CFL or another to check a link from home and we will confirm wherever or nit is tis DWAN/DIN only...
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2005, 13:54:22 »
CFL thats the site that i have been looking over with no success

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2005, 23:25:12 »
I checked the site over and there was no transcripts on it :'(

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2005, 00:06:02 »
http://cmj.mil.ca/transcripts_e.asp

It is DWAN/DIN specific.

 I was browsing thru 3 Boland courtmartials  :-[  (not all mine damn it) today (mine was a mear 38 pages - Mark's second was over 400...)


 
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2005, 00:45:52 »
Does it make for good reading?
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2005, 01:23:43 »
Should be able to order a transcript of any court proceeding in the country, as long as there is not a child protection order in place. They are expensive.

Are you looking for evidentiary and testimonial transcript or the written decision?

 

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2005, 01:28:54 »
Interesting...

 The DIN was up and down today - I could never get back to my bookmarks to send the site - or post it - so I wrote it down and took it home - sure enough it requires DIN access - although, I believe you can make a freedom of info request...

 I have ALWAYS been an ends justified the means sort of guy.

 
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2005, 01:34:40 »
I have ALWAYS been an ends justified the means sort of guy.

I'm shocked.

Anyway, as long as the "ends" is above board, the means are incidental. Potentially illegal, but incidental.

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2005, 01:54:56 »
Does it make for good reading?

Wait for my book  ;)

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2005, 03:37:06 »
I like the first title.
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2005, 04:02:54 »
Does it make for good reading?

Wait for my book   ;)

 I'm either going to call it "Warts and All: Pretending for Freedom" or "Voting from the Rooftops:The ONLY way to Effect change in the CF"

I like the first title.



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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2005, 18:52:02 »
And you didn't post the picture?

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2005, 17:13:54 »
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2005, 22:39:32 »
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2005, 04:29:37 »
Looking at the list of Court Martials that concluded - why are the penalties so light?

Possesion of Child Porn - 10 days

Theft of Explosive Substances - 30 days

Trafficking - 14 days + $1000 fine

Are these guys getting dinged civvie side as well?
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2005, 08:42:28 »
Looking at the list of Court Martials that concluded - why are the penalties so light?

Possesion of Child Porn - 10 days

Theft of Explosive Substances - 30 days

Trafficking - 14 days + $1000 fine

Are these guys getting dinged civvie side as well?

No, and the sentences that are handed down at a courts martial are proportional to what a civilian would get for a similar offence. One must remember a couple of things when examining the military justice system:  one, many of the persons that are tried are first time offenders (always a mitigating factor in sentencing); and two, many of the incidents (not all) that are heard by the military courts wouldn't even make it to trial in the civilian court system.
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2005, 14:22:38 »
Let me get this straight.  Your saying that if I were a civy and got caught trafficking I would on average receive 14 days in jail and a fine?  Seems light in either system.
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2005, 14:38:07 »
The term "first offence" has always cracked me up.  Chances are it's his/her first arrest, probably the 9th or 10th offence.

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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2005, 15:35:31 »
Let me get this straight.   Your saying that if I were a civy and got caught trafficking I would on average receive 14 days in jail and a fine?   Seems light in either system.

Technically if you passed a joint to another person you trafficked in drugs (it is commonly refered to as "social trafficking" (which doesn't go to court in the civilian system). Now I don't know the circumstances surrounding this particular incident however I have seen individuals in CF charged for trafficking when they have done just that, and I suspect this may have been the case here. It seems to be a catch all charge when a number of soldiers cop to smoking or using drugs with each other. However just to set your mind at ease there is a  person serving significant DB time, 65 days (a matter of public record) for trafficking in a small amount of drugs.   Plus you have to keep in mind that CF members are usually released once they are convicted of these sorts of charges, which the military courts view as an added punishment.
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2005, 16:43:39 »
yeah I guess.
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Re: Court Martial Transcripts
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2005, 16:44:35 »
Does getting convicted for drugs in the CF get you a "record" that is accessible to civies (ie like civies would get).
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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2005, 17:01:18 »
Does getting convicted for drugs in the CF get you a "record" that is accessible to civies (ie like civies would get).

In years past no, if you committed a serious offence within the military i.e. assault, sexual assault, drugs, it was buried with your CF records. Within the last 2-3 years however new changes in legislation compel the military police to use the Identifications of Criminals Act and the DNA Identification Act to pass this information along to the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) for certain offences. So if you do a nasty, your fingerprints, photograph and for sexual offences, your blood (for a  DNA profile) are submitted and are accessible to the civilian police, in short you have a criminal  record.
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