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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #400 on: November 30, 2005, 22:54:23 »
cry like a baby, chew your nails off, drink a helluva lot of rum, then go to bed. Works every time.
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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #401 on: December 02, 2005, 04:33:40 »
Hi there,

I've just registered with the Army.ca Forums for the purpose of posting the following message. I have read all 41 pages of this thread. Very interesting stories I've read. Now I've finally decided to share my own personal story with the members of this forum. I welcome all replies to my post. I especially welcome replies from past or current CF members who are experts on recruitment, so that they can offer me their expert opinion on my story. I would especially like to hear from mdh, as I've come to highly respect him and his opinions just by reading his postings in this thread.

Here's my story:
I have always been a military history and equipment buff. So logically, I decided to pursue an Infantry (I was always attracted to the Infantry) career in the CF. I started the process when I was just about to finish high school in 2002. I applied as a Reserve Infantry soldier with the Governor General's Footguards (in which one of my grandfathers served with right after WW2. My other grandfather served with the Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa around the same time). I was told by recruiters that the CFAT would be very easy. The 3 CFAT practice questions contained in the recruitment pamphlet are, in my opinion, misleading because they are much more difficult that the questions in the CFAT. After finding out that there would be a high school math part in the test, I got worried because math was always my weakest subject in high school. As a matter of fact, I failed Grade 8 and 10 math and had to go to summer school to pass them, which I did. I got even more worried when I was told that calculators were forbidden (although I was not very surprised since it was an aptitude test), as calculators, as far as I can remember, were permitted during every high school math exam that I ever took and that counted towards my final grades. The reason this worried me is because, as a result of calculators, my mental math calculation abilities are very poor. But since high school math was still fresh in my mind, I assumed that I would be able to pass the CFAT and thus wasn't too worried about it.

Well, the day of the test came, and before I knew it, I had breezed through the grammar part (with extreme ease I might add since grammar was always a strongpoint of mine), and had went through the spatial part with little difficulty (the last few questions were insanely hard). I was riding high as they say. Then I started the math part. I was totally shocked at how difficult the questions were (for me). I knew or remembered very few of the mathematical solutions needed to solve the problems in the test. I couldn't even make educated guesses to the questions as the correct answers were the exact answers to the questions. You really have to know the EXACT mathematical solution to EVERY question. Not only that, but you have to know how to put them into practice without the help of calculators. This test was the exact opposite of EVERY high school math test that I ever did that ever counted towards my final grades. Anyway, I managed to answer maybe 20 of the 30 questions. Throughout test, I frantically tried to find the correct answers to some of the questions by trying out different mathematical solutions on the blank paper that was given to me. But it proved to be futile because I remembered almost none of the solutions needed for correctly answering the questions. The test ended and I was the first one called up afterwards. I knew that was a bad sign. My fears were proven to be true when I was informed that I had failed the math part. I was told that I did very well in the grammar part (I was told that my mark was better than the average marks), averagely well in the spatial part, and not so good in the math part (I think I got something like 12 questions right). Because of my math score, my overall score was not good enough for the Infantry (that made me feel like a total retard). I was given my exact CFAT scores for all three parts but I don't remember them now.

I took the test again towards the end of my first year of college back in 2003. I applied as a Regular Infantry soldier with the RCR. This time I took the test in English (my maternal language is French and I always went to French schools). The same thing happened all over again. I knew I had failed it when I was the first one called up after the test. Once again, I aced the Grammar part, I did pretty good to ok in the spatial part, and I flunked (although with a slightly better mark which was due to guesswork) the math part. I was given my exact score on all 3 parts but I don't remember them anymore. I was told that I could take the test again after completing college.

I was completely unprepared for the first CFAT. There's nothing that I could've done there. But I could've prepared myself for the second one, which sadly I didn't. I sure wish I had found this thread after my first test or even before it. I had not studied high school math one bit for the second CFAT. I thought my first failure was something of a fluke. I was in denial that I had failed such a basic aptitude test, and convinced myself that studying for such a simple test was not necessary. I wanted to redeem myself in my own eyes by proving that I could pass the math part by not studying for it (since, after all, it was math that I had already seen and was supposed to be familiar with). I also convinced myself that another reason for my failure was that I was somewhat paralyzed by the difficulty of the questions. The element of surprise made me freeze up, I thought. I also attributed my failure in part to my spending too much time on individual questions that I obviously didn't know how to answer. In short, I tried to rationalize my failure. In fact, the real reson for my failure (which I finally came to admit AFTER failing the CFAT twice) was my lack of knowledge of high school mathematical problem-solving solutions.

I decided to give the CFAT another shot this past summer, but that this time I would seriously study up on my high school math before attempting it again. But unfortunately for me, the decision on whether or not I could retake the CFAT a third time had to be made high up the chain of command. They decided that I had not gathered enough official education since my last attempt. My 2-year Police Foundations college diploma was deemed to be not enough official education since I had only 1 year left on it when I tried the CFAT the second time. Add to that the fact that I had no math course at all in college. My pledge to seriously study up on my high school math before attempting the test again was also deemed not enough (which I understand could not have been taken very seriously due to my similar pledge after my first failure). The Army (I think) Captain that interviewed me to review my case when I inquired about taking the CFAT a third time was a really fair guy. I told him the above-listed reasons why I convinced myself that I had failed the first test and didn't study for the second test. I then told him the REAL reason why I had failed BOTH tests. He told me that he understood everything I said and that I deserved a second chance (or rather a third chance, depending on how you look at it). He told me that he admired my sincere devotion to join the military, and that by admitting to my mistakes and by demonstrating a serious will to study for the third test, he had been convinced to recommend for a third attempt. I will never forget what that guy did for me, and yet I can only remember his rank! He said that I had a 50/50 chance of getting approved. I didn't. He told me that in order to qualify for a third retest I'd have to get another diploma (college or university). But since I have no intention of going back to school, I can forget a career in the CF as an Infantry soldier.

For those of you who are wondering, the math part of the CFAT deals exclusively with ADVANCED GRADE 10 MATH. Trust me on that, it comes directly from the mouth of the above-mentioned Captain. I took REGULAR GRADE 10 MATH and I had to go to summer school to pass that!!! So the moral of this story is that studying is VERY VERY IMPORTANT! I can't stretch that enough. Some people don't need to study and some people THINK they don't need to study (like me). Unless you're 100% sure that you're a person who doesn't need to study, then I'd seriously recommend you'd study. What have you got to lose by studying? Better to be safe than sorry if you ask me. I'm one of the ones who's sorry. Oh well, at least I learned a valuable life lesson from all of this, even though it cost me a potential career in the CF as an Infantry soldier!!! I have nobody to blame for my failure but myself. I have finally come to terms with this failure. It's time to move on to something else I guess.

In conclusion, I apologize in advance for the extreme length of this posting. But it was necessary to correctly express myself. I can't begin to describe how much of a relief it is to share this story with people familiar with the CFAT. I thank you for letting me do so. I guess what I really needed was a shrink, but this will do just fine:)

Regards
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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #402 on: December 05, 2005, 16:25:58 »
Well I just wrote this morning. I would say it is right in the middle. Just make sure you relax, do the questions you know first and then go back and do the ones that are harder. Everyone can pass it as long as you have a grade 10 credit and remember what your taught. Best of luck to anyone writing it in th future. (by the way i got accepted for all trades  ;D )

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« Reply #403 on: December 07, 2005, 23:13:58 »
2Spazz

i also wrote it today lol. Were you at 4900 Young?

As for the LONG post dude. I had a very opposite expirience with the test. In the english part i only knew 5-4 words out of 15. I mean I NEVER saw other words in my life. But the math part was a piece of cake. I guess its the russian education system I have to give credit to. We were doing this type of questions in grade 5-8 :salute:. The shapes part was also very controversial. looked easy in the beggining, but turned out rediculiously hard in the end. Also i do not agree with your comment on calculators. Most of question you dont need precise calculations. And if your in the field your not likely to carry a calculator

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #404 on: December 09, 2005, 10:38:35 »
If you nees help with aptitude the best things are IQ tests and some online quizzes, you can buy some aptitude test books at coles or chapters, etc.
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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #405 on: December 09, 2005, 11:40:53 »
My biggest weakness is fractions. I found an awesome site from this thread  (www.math.com). It has step-by-step instructions on (re)learning fractions and a short test afterwards to see how you studied. I have been cracking down on that website to the point my eyes bog out of my head -LOL-

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #406 on: December 27, 2005, 16:36:39 »
    Greetings,

         I have recently stumbled across this website and have found it to be  an excellent resource of information. Thank you to everyone who has contributed either the stories of their experience in applying to the CF, and to those of you who have answered questions in this thread that I have wondered about myself.

         I am applying under the ROTP program for Pilot. My application has been handed in and I have January 10th booked as the date for my physical, medical, CFAT and interview. It's a good thing I found this thread because it has opened my eyes to the fact that the math portion of the test may not be the joke I thought it was going to be. Although I have taken University level calculus courses and had honor roll marks in all my math classes in highschool, it has been a couple years since I have practiced any of it.

        I have attained a grade 10 math textbook from my younger brother who is still in high school, and have been practicing the online  preperation applitude tests. I have also ordered a GED Math workbook from amazon.com and plan on going through that before the exam. Though I am sure the test will not be outrageously difficult, I plan on being as prepared as possible; when I want something as much as I want this I need to be sure I have done everything in my power to be ready.

       I wanted to ask a question about the required performance for Pilot applications; would it be on par with other officer career options or higher. Am I correct in believing it would be below the required score for say, an engineer profession?

                     So I'll be around the boards, and if there are any pilots out there who feel like talking a bit about their career I would appreciate a PM.

               I'll let y'all know how my CFAT goes along with the rest of my application process! Wish me luck!

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #407 on: December 27, 2005, 20:24:18 »
I wanted to ask a question about the required performance for Pilot applications; would it be on par with other officer career options or higher. Am I correct in believing it would be below the required score for say, an engineer profession?

All officer applicants must meet the same CFAT minimum score regardless of the occupation they are applying for except for Aerospace Control Officer.
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« Reply #408 on: January 02, 2006, 13:35:03 »
Hey everyone sorry haven't been on in a LONG time but have had a few "challenges" to take care of but now I'm back. I will be reapplying to the CF because I did not qualify for the Infantry on my first visit. Does someone know how high you have to score to become an infantryman? I know irs not much but the math killed me on the test. I did good on the other portions of the test. I qualified for a cook or a steward!! Laugh it up  :) I was also wondering if I can't pass for infantry again this time through and I become a steward because I can't cook for crap :) is it possible for me to transfer into infantry later ion because that is what I have my sights set on!!! Thanks all and I hope everyone had a great holiday!! Thanks for all help :salute:
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« Reply #409 on: January 02, 2006, 20:29:57 »
I would like to know how the test is administered...

1) is it done on paper or with a computer ?
2) is is separated in three (or more) parts or you do all of the parts at once and they give you a delay of, let's say, 45 minutes ?
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« Reply #410 on: January 02, 2006, 21:02:23 »
I would like to know how the test is administered...

1) is it done on paper or with a computer ?
2) is is separated in three (or more) parts or you do all of the parts at once and they give you a delay of, let's say, 45 minutes ?


With a computer and each part follows the other without delay.

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« Reply #411 on: January 02, 2006, 21:03:16 »
Hey everyone sorry haven't been on in a LONG time but have had a few "challenges" to take care of but now I'm back. I will be reapplying to the CF because I did not qualify for the Infantry on my first visit. Does someone know how high you have to score to become an infantryman? I know irs not much but the math killed me on the test. I did good on the other portions of the test. I qualified for a cook or a steward!! Laugh it up  :) I was also wondering if I can't pass for infantry again this time through and I become a steward because I can't cook for crap :) is it possible for me to transfer into infantry later ion because that is what I have my sights set on!!! Thanks all and I hope everyone had a great holiday!! Thanks for all help :salute:

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #412 on: January 02, 2006, 21:07:17 »
anyone know how I can find out through the website what all the MOC codes are.  I did very well on the cfat but got these papers saying what jobs I can do, but they might as well have given it to me in german becasue they are all codes and I have no idea what most of these jobs are.  I tried the CF website and found some answers but couldn't have about half of them even tried to search by the numbers or whatever but no luck there either.  I'd like to do this research at home instead of at the center. 

As of the time when I was sworn in they were changing from MOC numbers to MOS ID numbers.

eg. infantry used to be MOC 031, now it's MOS ID 00010

Silverbach..... are you seriously not going to bother searching for the answer? It's been covered in detail in a pile of threads.

Since I'm feeling generous, and am just on tonight to kill time until I can go for a run without puking a burger all over the place (nice image, huh?), I'll tell you:

Depending on where you are, you either do it on paper, or you do it on a computer. A few people I know of have recently taken the paper test, but it's quickly becoming a relic. Count on a computer.

You do the test in three separate timed sections, one after the other. If you are given 15 minutes and are finished in 10.... you wait until 15 minutes has passed.
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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #413 on: January 02, 2006, 21:09:31 »
I would like to know how the test is administered...

1) is it done on paper or with a computer ?
2) is is separated in three (or more) parts or you do all of the parts at once and they give you a delay of, let's say, 45 minutes ?


Have I missed something or is there some new rule to life that says one must know absolutely every little wretched detail before one commits to any endeavour? Gee whiz, take a plunge, do something blindly, live on the edge.

Here is your answer:

1) technically both
2) yes, yes and no

And here's a little known fact: I'm pretty sure the pen they give you is one of those invisible ink kinds.  ::)

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #414 on: January 02, 2006, 21:20:03 »
Have I missed something or is there some new rule to life that says one must know absolutely every little wretched detail before one commits to any endeavour? Gee whiz, take a plunge, do something blindly, live on the edge.


The technical term is "afraid to leave mother syndrome"  ::)
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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #415 on: January 02, 2006, 21:22:28 »
Is it new that the aptitude test is done on the computer? I remember doing mine on paper only.

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #416 on: January 02, 2006, 21:49:08 »
The technical term is "afraid to leave mother syndrome...

...you know AESOP081, there are wonderful gagets in these forums, like that icon that leads to the profile of the guests and members...if you would have known that, you would have seen that I am 9 years older than you...son !

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT): Questions and Answers
« Reply #417 on: January 02, 2006, 21:50:36 »
The technical term is "afraid to leave mother syndrome...

...you know AESOP081, there are wonderful gagets in these forums, like that icon that leads to the profile of the guests and members...if you would have known that, you would have seen that I am 9 years older than you...son !

Mr silverbach,

I'm fully aware that you are older than I, i did look at your profile.  My comment however was not specificaly aimed at you ( it was indirectly however) but more in general terms to the 15 and up crowd who must know exactly how many thumbtacks the will be issued on the second hour of day 2 of BMQ.

That being said, is it necessary for you to know every single detail of the CFAT before writing it ?  i'm sure that in your 39 years , you have written many tests and can pretty much figure it out !!

SON ?  i have no desire to start a flame war with you.  You may be older than I, but after 13 years in the military, you have not earned the right to lecture me or refer to me as son.

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Just had to reshedule my CFAT
« Reply #418 on: February 14, 2007, 13:00:39 »
Hi, was gonna post this in the big CFAT test thread till I realised it was locked, ha. I hope its not a problem to start another thread for my specific question anyways. I apologise if it is tho. :(

I had to call early this morning to reshedule my test (It was to be taken at 9 am today) due to a nasty bit of sickness that I seem to have picked up, I really didn't want too but I figured its best to reshedule now rather then go in sick and do badly because of that then either not being able to get into my desired trade or just fail completely and not get in at all for three months.

All in all, the smart decision right? The reason why I decided to make a post about this is that on the CFAT thread I saw mentioned several times that people who reshedule are forced to wait months for a new test? Is this true? I truely want to get this done as soon as possible and get in, I didn't even consider this before and its to late to change it now obiously but will I be waitin for them to call me back for like a month? :|
If not, whats the general amount of time that you have to wait for them to call them back?

Thanks in advance. :)

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Re: Just had to reshedule my CFAT
« Reply #419 on: February 14, 2007, 13:16:06 »
It's safe to say that you'll be contacted within a month, i failed my CFAT the first time and i was called on the 3month mark. to the day actually. I was just wondering if anyone who had to retake the CFAT did the exact same test again, or do they have some kind of rotation?


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« Reply #420 on: February 14, 2007, 13:25:28 »
There might (read "probably will") be varying lengths of waits for the rescheduled CFAT depending on the CFRC you are dealing with and how busier they are.

Best advice?

Call your CFRC and ask them how soon you can get in for the test.

FWIW, I think you made the right decision to put it off if you knew you weren't at 100% or close to it. 

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Re: Just had to reshedule my CFAT
« Reply #421 on: February 14, 2007, 14:14:35 »
Ok question asked and answered and thread locked.
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CFAT pratice help needed !!!!!!!!! members of CF please help
« Reply #422 on: May 15, 2007, 12:19:29 »
hey y'all i just got my date set for the aptitude test and trying to find a way to practice, any suggestions? since the following sites they give you to use are down www.psc-cfp.gc.ca/ppc/gct2_test_e.htm and                    www.psc-cfp-gc.ca/ppc/grt_test_e.htm the following comes up when i try to access the sites. Skip to English content | Passer au contenu Français Error 404: File Not Found
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Re: CFAT pratice help needed !!!!!!!!! members of CF please help
« Reply #423 on: May 15, 2007, 12:32:42 »
Ok...because you are new here ( welcome BTW) i will make an effort to be unusualy nice,

Take several minutes to look around the site, specificaly here :

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,23193.0.html

This ought to get you started, since your question is a common one.

I will also advise you to use the search function provided on this site. A simple search for "CFAT" would have provided the answer you are looking for and, without a doubt, others you might have.

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« Reply #424 on: April 24, 2008, 17:09:39 »
JUST PASSED IT TODAY. it's fairly easy and im in applied classes. THE BEST ADVICE and they will tell you this is TAKE YOUR TIME on each question and READ IT CAREFULLY!!!! and you should do fine